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In response to "The Moneyball hate is so strange to me. Beane did popularize OBP and OPS, the two big stats in the game now." by David

They won with an MVP who went against all he stood for; his genius draft led to no one outside the box being good

Posted by Will Hunting (aka JoeMetz) Jun 17 '11, 10:44

and he manages to slag about half a dozen guys who did end up being special.

Where's the book on the Twins or the Rays?

Cuz arguably; those teams have done it better than Beane's A's have.

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He won a division and 103 games with a $41 million payroll. I've never understood your irrational hatred of this book. - David Jun 17, 10:47 24
- And with regards to your comment about Tampa and Minnesota... - David Jun 17, 10:52 4
  - Minnesota -- 5 playoff appearances. Oakland -- 4 playoffs since 2000 - Will Hunting Jun 17, 10:55 3
    - That would mean a ton if they played in the same division. Since they don't and you know Oakland has had the better record 7 out of 12... - David Jun 17, 10:59 2
      - I'm factually pointing out Beane was "God" in 2002 when he got the keys to the car...which he promptly missed on his draft. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:03 1
        
        Well, I agree with your last statement. That's the first thing you've said right in this thread. -- nm - David Jun 17, 11:05
- He's not a genius. Thinking outside the box is only good if you excel and honestly, he didn't per se. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 10:51 10
  - One of the top 3 talent drafts? I was just looking at their first round options and cringing. - David Jun 17, 10:56 9
    - Granderson was in that draft...Votto was a 2nd round pick....it's legitimately one of the top 3 drafts in talent (behind 2005's) - Will Hunting Jun 17, 10:59 8
      - If conventional scouting had pegged those guys, they wouldn't have gone sooner. - David Jun 17, 11:03 7
        
        You could easily make a pennant winning team with the 2002 draft - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:05 6
        
        No. -- nm - David Jun 17, 11:06 5
        
        Yes. Unquestionably. Beane just missed on most of it. -- nm - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:06 4
        
        McCann, Granderson, Votto, Jon Lester..... - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:11
        
        You're so silly when you get unreasonably hyperbolic. - David Jun 17, 11:10 2
        
        Here's the team you can make *after* Swisher. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:18 1
        
        "Weakish outfield" by which you mean it's Votto, McCann and then anybody with a pulse. - David Jun 17, 11:21
- I just read this article about the Blue Jays. Kinda appropriate to what you're talking about. -- (link) - Inigo Jun 17, 10:49 6
  - Gonzalez may be a worse free swinger than Frenchy yet I don't mind it as much since he's a Gold Glove level SS. -- nm - David Jun 17, 11:13 3
    - How's he been working out? I liked him, but happier with Jo Jo and Yunel. - Name Withheld By Request Jun 17, 11:14 2
      - I would take him over Yunel any day of the week and twice on Sunday. His professionalism is top notch. - David Jun 17, 11:17 1
        
        Yes to the IM. Appears to be a good trade had by all. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Jun 17, 11:19
  - also it's *hilarious* that people are commenting on that saying "well, they lost the last two games so it can't be working!" - Reagen Jun 17, 11:09
  - this is precisely what I've been saying all these years. It's not a baseball book, it's an economics book that happens to have some baseball anecdotes -- nm - Reagen Jun 17, 11:03
- Well not only that, but he also directly led to revolutionizing the way teams and GMa (and fans) think about players. -- nm - Don Homer Jun 17, 10:49

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