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In response to "They won with an MVP who went against all he stood for; his genius draft led to no one outside the box being good" by Will Hunting

He won a division and 103 games with a $41 million payroll. I've never understood your irrational hatred of this book.

Posted by David (aka David) Jun 17 '11, 10:47

Beane was in a position where he could followed everyone else and thereby assured failure or he could have thought outside the box. He did the latter and they averaged 94 wins over a five year period because of it.

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And with regards to your comment about Tampa and Minnesota... - David Jun 17, 10:52 4
- Minnesota -- 5 playoff appearances. Oakland -- 4 playoffs since 2000 - Will Hunting Jun 17, 10:55 3
  - That would mean a ton if they played in the same division. Since they don't and you know Oakland has had the better record 7 out of 12... - David Jun 17, 10:59 2
    - I'm factually pointing out Beane was "God" in 2002 when he got the keys to the car...which he promptly missed on his draft. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:03 1
      - Well, I agree with your last statement. That's the first thing you've said right in this thread. -- nm - David Jun 17, 11:05
He's not a genius. Thinking outside the box is only good if you excel and honestly, he didn't per se. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 10:51 10
- One of the top 3 talent drafts? I was just looking at their first round options and cringing. - David Jun 17, 10:56 9
  - Granderson was in that draft...Votto was a 2nd round pick....it's legitimately one of the top 3 drafts in talent (behind 2005's) - Will Hunting Jun 17, 10:59 8
    - If conventional scouting had pegged those guys, they wouldn't have gone sooner. - David Jun 17, 11:03 7
      - You could easily make a pennant winning team with the 2002 draft - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:05 6
        
        No. -- nm - David Jun 17, 11:06 5
        
        Yes. Unquestionably. Beane just missed on most of it. -- nm - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:06 4
        
        McCann, Granderson, Votto, Jon Lester..... - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:11
        
        You're so silly when you get unreasonably hyperbolic. - David Jun 17, 11:10 2
        
        Here's the team you can make *after* Swisher. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:18 1
        
        "Weakish outfield" by which you mean it's Votto, McCann and then anybody with a pulse. - David Jun 17, 11:21
I just read this article about the Blue Jays. Kinda appropriate to what you're talking about. -- (link) - Inigo Jun 17, 10:49 6
- Gonzalez may be a worse free swinger than Frenchy yet I don't mind it as much since he's a Gold Glove level SS. -- nm - David Jun 17, 11:13 3
  - How's he been working out? I liked him, but happier with Jo Jo and Yunel. - Name Withheld By Request Jun 17, 11:14 2
    - I would take him over Yunel any day of the week and twice on Sunday. His professionalism is top notch. - David Jun 17, 11:17 1
      - Yes to the IM. Appears to be a good trade had by all. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Jun 17, 11:19
- also it's *hilarious* that people are commenting on that saying "well, they lost the last two games so it can't be working!" - Reagen Jun 17, 11:09
- this is precisely what I've been saying all these years. It's not a baseball book, it's an economics book that happens to have some baseball anecdotes -- nm - Reagen Jun 17, 11:03
Well not only that, but he also directly led to revolutionizing the way teams and GMa (and fans) think about players. -- nm - Don Homer Jun 17, 10:49

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He won a division and 103 games with a $41 million payroll. I've never understood your irrational hatred of this book.

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