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Let's face it. It's been class warfare since Reagan cut taxes on the rich. The middle class has been losing ever since. -- nm

Posted by Mop (195 lbs) (aka rburriel) Sep 19 '11, 12:19

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Had an interesting conversation with a coworker this morning about this and I find the arguement that he had - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:31 52
- i dont think you understand what this person is saying. -- nm - tRuMaN Sep 19, 12:45
- ? the rich need more incentive to become richer?...also these same people also want to remove minimum wage - zeitgeist Sep 19, 12:45 1
  - Thats an over simplification and what I am talking about it more about the fact that this country is generally about - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:54
- "social services" account for about 10% of the entire federal budget, at most - moles Sep 19, 12:43
- you know what that argument sounds like to me? - znufrii Sep 19, 12:39 4
  - I would pay more taxes if the system held everyone equally accountable -- nm - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:41 3
    - "accountable"? wtf is that supposed to mean? -- nm - znufrii Sep 19, 12:45 1
      - Well if you go and get cancer, you should pay for it - Guigue Sep 19, 12:47
    - You would pay more taxes if the government told you to, because that's how it works. There's no optional taxes. -- nm - TFox Sep 19, 12:43
- In other words, you want your tax rate to go up? - ty97 Sep 19, 12:35 10
  - I do not mind paying more to help the country if everyone was paying proprotionally the same. - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:45 9
    - *reads the last line of the IM* - znufrii Sep 19, 12:48
    - 20% of your $50,000 a year is a much bigger hit than 20% of their $50,000,000 -- nm - moles Sep 19, 12:48 2
      - But I need that for my hired help, and my new house, and extra vacation! -- nm - Don Homer, Job Creator Sep 19, 12:49 1
        
        I am not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination but I find (not necessairly you) people that begrudge people who are welathy, enjoying their wealth - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:52
    - well, there's the point i can officially disengage with you making salient points. -- nm - TFox Sep 19, 12:46
    - WOW, you're an asshole -- nm - ty97 Sep 19, 12:46 3
      - To be clear: this refers to the last line of your IM -- nm - ty97 Sep 19, 12:47 2
        
        It isnt a popular thought but greowing up in CA and seeing so many people being baby factories as their JOB - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:49
        
        Yep. Besides, what good would birth control be for gay welfare bums? -- nm - Beryllium Sep 19, 12:48
- Why do the rich need more incentive to get rich? *Being rich* isn't enough? - musubi Sep 19, 12:34 30
  - I disagree with that. Being rich isnt enough, I have some very wealthy friends and rich in and of itself - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:40 27
    - I understand what Capstern is trying to say.....the return on investment in creating a job for these people is poor due to government interference.... - Walt_Disney Sep 19, 12:48 1
      - Yes. Thats what I hear all the time. Why pump time in money into something that say would create 20-30 jobs but return you 1% or less investment - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:56
    - That makes no sense. They're rich, and want to creat more wealth, but they don't because the gov't won't let them? - musubi Sep 19, 12:44
    - won't someone think of the job creators? -- nm - moles Sep 19, 12:44
    - oh bullshit. There's no 100% tax rate out there, so if they could make a profit, they'd do it. - ty97 Sep 19, 12:44
    - Poor guys. That's heart breaking. -- nm - Don Homer Sep 19, 12:42
    - The govt just kills them? - amoxy Sep 19, 12:41 20
      - It does. The burden they have to launching a new business is bad. Especially if they are old white guys. - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:46 5
        
        if they have actual great business ideas, there are still incubators and vc out there. -- nm - b. Sep 19, 12:48
        
        can we get old asshole Capstern back? (we're supposed to feel bad for white people now? haven't you heard about their problems?) -- nm - TFox Sep 19, 12:48 2
        
        look up a few posts. -- nm - Beryllium Sep 19, 12:48 1
        
        OK to make it worse I also feel if you are on welfare longer than a certain amount of time there should also - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 13:02
        
        if the tax burden got out of have, then they are not great businessman, its freaking easy to manage - tRuMaN Sep 19, 12:48
      - fwiw, the rest of the thread aside, I wish there were more incentives for investing that creates jobs/actually spending money in those ways. - b. Sep 19, 12:45 13
        
        You show me a business that'll hire without needing to on the basis of demand, I'll show you a bad business. - Will Hunting Sep 19, 12:49 1
        
        see below. there could be room. not a kajillion jobs there, but some. -- nm - b. Sep 19, 12:53
        
        So do I, but what more do you suggest? Aren't business investments already deductable for most small businesses? - musubi Sep 19, 12:47 1
        
        not "give me more" - but incentivize us to take more risks in an unstable economy. - b. Sep 19, 12:51
        
        Exactly. I would also like to see the abolishment of most unions as well. Their time has more or less passed IMO -- nm - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:47 8
        
        That'd be totally fair if at the same time you abolished corporations. (nm) - musubi Sep 19, 12:50
        
        in other words, you dont understand unions, got it. - tRuMaN Sep 19, 12:48 1
        
        I do understand. I also understand the ORIGINAL purpose of unions but feel that most of that time has passed - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:59
        
        Those are fightin words around here, be careful. -- nm - Strongbad Sep 19, 12:47 4
        
        I just don't understand why anyone would be against organized representation to protect the interests of workers. -- nm - David, Archer fan Sep 19, 12:49 3
        
        I'm not against the "theory" of unions - Strongbad Sep 19, 12:52 1
        
        DING -- nm - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 13:00
        
        They're mean to "job creators". We have to be nice to "job creators" or they're take our jobs away. (nm) - musubi Sep 19, 12:51
  - *apologizes to the rich* -- nm - Mattel Sep 19, 12:35 1
    - you get back here! -- nm - China Sep 19, 12:36
- No it doesn't sound great. -- nm - Don Homer Sep 19, 12:32
yup, finally the GOP are calling it what it is. they're just confused at to which side is the agressor. -- nm - znufrii Sep 19, 12:23
no, its been class warfare ever since we went for a massive tiered tax rate system to only have a few tax rate tiers, -- nm - tRuMaN Sep 19, 12:20 2
- does it happen anymore where a small raise ups your tax bracket and ends up costing you thousands more in taxs -- nm - zeitgeist Sep 19, 12:28 1
  - Uh, no. It's a marginal tax rate system, so everything else equal that is theoretically not possible. -- nm - Don Homer Sep 19, 12:32

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