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In response to "Let's face it. It's been class warfare since Reagan cut taxes on the rich. The middle class has been losing ever since. -- nm" by Mop (195 lbs)

Had an interesting conversation with a coworker this morning about this and I find the arguement that he had

Posted by Capstern (35 Days) (aka Capstern) Sep 19 '11, 12:31

interesting.

The mojority of the people in the country utilizing social services pay little or almost nothing for them.

I understand poor vs not middle class but his suggestion of a flat tax is still interesting to me. Everyone pays proportionally the same across the board against what they make.

So yes you would have high level income people not really using the services but drawing even a small amount of tax from the middle lower to lower tax brackets would make a huge difference.

The tax code could be very simplified. You pay x % minus very basic things like heathcare costs, housing interest ect and then everyone pays equally.

I know this is likely too simple to work but it sounds great.

In the end the rich need more incentive to become richer and then create jobs and opportunities vs just redistributing their wealth

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i dont think you understand what this person is saying. -- nm - tRuMaN Sep 19, 12:45
? the rich need more incentive to become richer?...also these same people also want to remove minimum wage - zeitgeist Sep 19, 12:45 1
- Thats an over simplification and what I am talking about it more about the fact that this country is generally about - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:54
"social services" account for about 10% of the entire federal budget, at most - moles Sep 19, 12:43
you know what that argument sounds like to me? - znufrii Sep 19, 12:39 4
- I would pay more taxes if the system held everyone equally accountable -- nm - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:41 3
  - "accountable"? wtf is that supposed to mean? -- nm - znufrii Sep 19, 12:45 1
    - Well if you go and get cancer, you should pay for it - Guigue Sep 19, 12:47
  - You would pay more taxes if the government told you to, because that's how it works. There's no optional taxes. -- nm - TFox Sep 19, 12:43
In other words, you want your tax rate to go up? - ty97 Sep 19, 12:35 10
- I do not mind paying more to help the country if everyone was paying proprotionally the same. - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:45 9
  - *reads the last line of the IM* - znufrii Sep 19, 12:48
  - 20% of your $50,000 a year is a much bigger hit than 20% of their $50,000,000 -- nm - moles Sep 19, 12:48 2
    - But I need that for my hired help, and my new house, and extra vacation! -- nm - Don Homer, Job Creator Sep 19, 12:49 1
      - I am not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination but I find (not necessairly you) people that begrudge people who are welathy, enjoying their wealth - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:52
  - well, there's the point i can officially disengage with you making salient points. -- nm - TFox Sep 19, 12:46
  - WOW, you're an asshole -- nm - ty97 Sep 19, 12:46 3
    - To be clear: this refers to the last line of your IM -- nm - ty97 Sep 19, 12:47 2
      - It isnt a popular thought but greowing up in CA and seeing so many people being baby factories as their JOB - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:49
      - Yep. Besides, what good would birth control be for gay welfare bums? -- nm - Beryllium Sep 19, 12:48
Why do the rich need more incentive to get rich? *Being rich* isn't enough? - musubi Sep 19, 12:34 30
- I disagree with that. Being rich isnt enough, I have some very wealthy friends and rich in and of itself - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:40 27
  - I understand what Capstern is trying to say.....the return on investment in creating a job for these people is poor due to government interference.... - Walt_Disney Sep 19, 12:48 1
    - Yes. Thats what I hear all the time. Why pump time in money into something that say would create 20-30 jobs but return you 1% or less investment - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:56
  - That makes no sense. They're rich, and want to creat more wealth, but they don't because the gov't won't let them? - musubi Sep 19, 12:44
  - won't someone think of the job creators? -- nm - moles Sep 19, 12:44
  - oh bullshit. There's no 100% tax rate out there, so if they could make a profit, they'd do it. - ty97 Sep 19, 12:44
  - Poor guys. That's heart breaking. -- nm - Don Homer Sep 19, 12:42
  - The govt just kills them? - amoxy Sep 19, 12:41 20
    - It does. The burden they have to launching a new business is bad. Especially if they are old white guys. - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:46 5
      - if they have actual great business ideas, there are still incubators and vc out there. -- nm - b. Sep 19, 12:48
      - can we get old asshole Capstern back? (we're supposed to feel bad for white people now? haven't you heard about their problems?) -- nm - TFox Sep 19, 12:48 2
        
        look up a few posts. -- nm - Beryllium Sep 19, 12:48 1
        
        OK to make it worse I also feel if you are on welfare longer than a certain amount of time there should also - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 13:02
      - if the tax burden got out of have, then they are not great businessman, its freaking easy to manage - tRuMaN Sep 19, 12:48
    - fwiw, the rest of the thread aside, I wish there were more incentives for investing that creates jobs/actually spending money in those ways. - b. Sep 19, 12:45 13
      - You show me a business that'll hire without needing to on the basis of demand, I'll show you a bad business. - Will Hunting Sep 19, 12:49 1
        
        see below. there could be room. not a kajillion jobs there, but some. -- nm - b. Sep 19, 12:53
      - So do I, but what more do you suggest? Aren't business investments already deductable for most small businesses? - musubi Sep 19, 12:47 1
        
        not "give me more" - but incentivize us to take more risks in an unstable economy. - b. Sep 19, 12:51
      - Exactly. I would also like to see the abolishment of most unions as well. Their time has more or less passed IMO -- nm - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:47 8
        
        That'd be totally fair if at the same time you abolished corporations. (nm) - musubi Sep 19, 12:50
        
        in other words, you dont understand unions, got it. - tRuMaN Sep 19, 12:48 1
        
        I do understand. I also understand the ORIGINAL purpose of unions but feel that most of that time has passed - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 12:59
        
        Those are fightin words around here, be careful. -- nm - Strongbad Sep 19, 12:47 4
        
        I just don't understand why anyone would be against organized representation to protect the interests of workers. -- nm - David, Archer fan Sep 19, 12:49 3
        
        I'm not against the "theory" of unions - Strongbad Sep 19, 12:52 1
        
        DING -- nm - Capstern (35 Days) Sep 19, 13:00
        
        They're mean to "job creators". We have to be nice to "job creators" or they're take our jobs away. (nm) - musubi Sep 19, 12:51
- *apologizes to the rich* -- nm - Mattel Sep 19, 12:35 1
  - you get back here! -- nm - China Sep 19, 12:36
No it doesn't sound great. -- nm - Don Homer Sep 19, 12:32

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