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i don't necessarily in this case, but the building of secret drone bases and the increased roboticization of war...

Posted by x (aka dmuck) Sep 30 '11, 07:20

is pretty much happening without any public conversation of the potential consequences, which i think has the potential to be exceedingly problematic going forward.

another thing that bugs me (not in this particular case) is drone strikes that get reported as "fifteen militants killed" or whatever, which gets accepted unquestioningly by everyone but there's really nothing to go on but a government's word for it. that's pretty useful for an imperial presidency, i think.

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Cylons. -- nm - Diva Sep 30, 07:24 4
- ok, we've done the terminator and battlestar galactica jokes, so i guess we can stop talking about it now.....nm - x Sep 30, 07:30 3
  - talk about whatever you want to talk about. if i want to make a joke, i will. -- nm - Diva Sep 30, 07:33 2
    - now now, i didn't say you couldn't....nm - x Sep 30, 07:37 1
      - there are plenty of serious responses within the thread that can be and are being commented on. - Diva Sep 30, 07:45
My concern is with what will happen when Skynet goes online and the are 50 bazillion drones flying around not in our control -- nm - decline Sep 30, 07:23 13
- i honestly think this sort of response is part of the problem... - x Sep 30, 07:28 12
  - I have no problem with it. Either the pilot is in the plane controlling it, or somewhere else controlling it. - Bacon Sep 30, 07:31 11
    - i would say the experience of being a pilot over a country dropping a bomb on a target..... - x Sep 30, 07:35 6
      - I have no problem with it still. It's still a person making the decision. They can see something on the ground and decide to call off the attack. - Bacon Sep 30, 07:39
      - The guys flying B-52s out of Diego Garcia might as well be drone pilots. - Mel Profit Sep 30, 07:37 1
        
        this is true enough. but i still think it's a lot different to pilot drones all day, and then go home to your family.... - x Sep 30, 07:39
      - FWIW, I have read that drone operators suffer pretty severe trauma. will have to look it up. -- nm - loosilu Sep 30, 07:37 1
        
        I've read this too. - Mel Profit Sep 30, 07:39
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    - for now. But AI is coming. -- nm - Mel Profit Sep 30, 07:35 3
      - Then we can have this discussion and I may change my mind. -- nm - Bacon Sep 30, 07:36 2
        
        The trend is inevitable but if you don't want to acknowledge and discuss it that's fine. -- nm - Mel Profit Sep 30, 07:39 1
        
        What I am saying is that if computers start making the call, I would probably have a problem with it. However, it's not relevant to what is happening - Bacon Sep 30, 07:41
this. -- nm - loosilu Sep 30, 07:23
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- I'm fine with drones being used wherever the rule of law can't reach. RoL reaches London just fine. RoL barely has a toehold in Yemen. -- nm - TWuG Sep 30, 07:27 6
  - how do you justify drone attacks in Pakistan, then? -- nm - loosilu Sep 30, 07:31 2
    - OBL hiding out there for two years+. If the RoL existed in Pakistan he'd never have hidden there. -- nm - TWuG Sep 30, 07:36 1
      - And he wasn't even in the rural tribal regions that are even worse. -- nm - Ender Sep 30, 07:41
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    - yep and not many thing AQ qualifyes for protection under the laws - Danedukenuuk Sep 30, 07:33
  - Right. Drones are just a more effective SEAL Team. - Mel Profit Sep 30, 07:29

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