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In response to "I don't agree with that. I think the downward trend has stopped, but it's not better than 4 years ago -- nm" by Bacon

the shit really hit in about september of 2008, but the slide started about a year before that

you can debate whether it's technically better now than it was 4 years ago today, but it's unequivocally better than it was in mid-late 2008, and in early 2008 they were on the way down, we're likely not.

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