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In response to "the lead homicide investigator was unconvinced by Zimmerman's account and wanted to charge him with manslaughter -- (link)" by pixitude

this is going to be an absolute shit storm.

Posted by Mel Profit (aka Mel Profit) Mar 27 '12, 15:49

the likes we haven't seen in 20 years.

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Agreed. The detective covered himself with filing that affidavit. Now this falls on the state attorney's office. -- nm - Mop (196 lbs) Mar 27, 16:05
If black people could just stop scaring white people, this would all be simpler. -- nm - Reagen Mar 27, 15:54
Really? I think very little will come of it. -- nm - mara Mar 27, 15:51 47
- Yeah, I think it's got a week or so left in the news cycle, at best. -- nm - St.Vermin Mar 27, 15:55 37 1
  - Disagree. I think Zimmerman's arrested or charged within a week - ty97 Mar 27, 15:56 35
    - If that happens all bets are off. - Mel Profit Mar 27, 15:57 34
      - We don't know everything yet, but based on what's leaked, I tend to think the lead officer is right, but the prosecutor may also be. - ty97 Mar 27, 16:14 23
        
        If a witness corroborates the "struggle for the gun"... I have a hard time imagining a conviction. -- nm - St.Vermin Mar 27, 16:17 22
        
        Depending on this, Zimmerman pulling a gun on a guy he's chasing turns this into a self-defense case. - Will Hunting Mar 27, 16:38 1
        
        Except he supposedly says he wasn't chasing him. -- nm - Ender Mar 27, 16:42
        
        i still struggle with how it can be self-defense when you're struggling for your own gun that you presumably pulled. - TFox Mar 27, 16:20 19
        
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        from Zimmerman's account, he went after the kid, they had words, Zimmerman lost sight of him, tried to go back to his car... - TFox Mar 27, 16:27 3
        
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        Zimmerman's lawyer has stated that SYG does not apply, self-defense does. - ty97 Mar 27, 16:38
        
        well, i think the controversy is that most people don't think this makes sense on it's face. -- nm - TFox Mar 27, 16:30
        
        I've heard that his lawyer said he wouldn't be pursuing that as a defence - Reagen Mar 27, 16:26
        
        Before. -- nm - Roger More Mar 27, 16:25
        
        Agree with IM. - St.Vermin Mar 27, 16:22
        
        if you are the initiator of the aggression, it can't - pixitude Mar 27, 16:22 10
        
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        But if he was walking back to the car when he was sucker punched... -- nm - Ender Mar 27, 16:24 8
        
        even with a 100% justified self-defense, you are only allowed to meet force with the same level of force - pixitude Mar 27, 16:27 7
        
        Hmmm. I think that varies by location. - St.Vermin Mar 27, 16:28 6
        
        And having your head pounded into the pavement may be considered lethal force. But here again is why the reporting in this case is so frustrating... - The Most Interesting Stephen in The World Mar 27, 16:34
        
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        how does it work in Alaska if he's within 30 feet and armed with Skittles? - TFox Mar 27, 16:30 1
        
        Tropical or Original flavour? -- nm - Roger More Mar 27, 16:31
        
        yes, a knife is a deadly weapon. fists are not a deadly weapon -- nm - pixitude Mar 27, 16:30 1
        
        Ah. I misread 'same level' then. My bad. -- nm - St.Vermin Mar 27, 16:31
      - America loves show trials. I expect an arrest, and there will be a trial. -- nm - Mop (196 lbs) Mar 27, 16:06
      - Im thinking he pleads guilty maybe to a lesser charge but not something that he would look like he getting away scott free - eag Mar 27, 16:00
      - there will be a civil wrongful death suit regardless -- nm - pixitude Mar 27, 15:58 7
        
        not if it is a SYG declaration, that law precludes civil penalties -- nm - zeitgeist Mar 27, 17:32
        
        In this kind of high profile case you need to be careful with that - eag Mar 27, 16:02 4
        
        The mom trying to trademark "Justice for Trayvon" isn't a wise move, in that case. -- nm - St.Vermin Mar 27, 16:04 3
        
        If it's a trademark, she can go after people who are trying to exploit him for their own causes - Reagen Mar 27, 16:06 1
        
        Agreed. It's actually a very smart move. I was impressed. -- nm - pmb Mar 27, 16:13
        
        I saw that and thats why I was thinking this -- nm - eag Mar 27, 16:04
        
        That's certainly my hope. -- nm - mara Mar 27, 16:02
  - it's so not going away anytime soon -- nm - pixitude Mar 27, 15:55
- i think, especially if zimmerman is not criminally prosecuted, trayvon will become the emmitt till of this generation -- nm - pixitude Mar 27, 15:53 8
  - The who? -- nm - Ender Mar 27, 16:17 1
    - "Till's murder is noted as a pivotal event motivating the African-American Civil Rights Movement" -- (link) - pixitude Mar 27, 16:19
  - give it 2 months and no one will care anymore. They'll be up in arms over the newest injustice or scandal or whatever -- nm - CQ: 21, 22. Whatever it takes Mar 27, 15:54 5
    - Oh, a lot of people will still care. They just won't be able to do anything. -- nm - mara Mar 27, 15:58 2
      - boycott Florida, for starters -- nm - pixitude Mar 27, 16:00 1
        
        *snork* -- nm - St.Vermin Mar 27, 16:24
    - People are fickle, I'll grant you that, but if you throw enough shit against the wall - eventually something sticks. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 27, 15:55 1
      - The next Casey Anthony thing will come along and the media will let you know what to be caring about -- nm - CQ: 21, 22. Whatever it takes Mar 27, 16:05

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