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In response to "Disagree. I think Zimmerman's arrested or charged within a week" by ty97

If that happens all bets are off.

Posted by Mel Profit (aka Mel Profit) Mar 27 '12, 15:57

imagine the trial.

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We don't know everything yet, but based on what's leaked, I tend to think the lead officer is right, but the prosecutor may also be. - ty97 Mar 27, 16:14 23
- If a witness corroborates the "struggle for the gun"... I have a hard time imagining a conviction. -- nm - St.Vermin Mar 27, 16:17 22
  - Depending on this, Zimmerman pulling a gun on a guy he's chasing turns this into a self-defense case. - Will Hunting Mar 27, 16:38 1
    - Except he supposedly says he wasn't chasing him. -- nm - Ender Mar 27, 16:42
  - i still struggle with how it can be self-defense when you're struggling for your own gun that you presumably pulled. - TFox Mar 27, 16:20 19
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      - from Zimmerman's account, he went after the kid, they had words, Zimmerman lost sight of him, tried to go back to his car... - TFox Mar 27, 16:27 3
        
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        Zimmerman's lawyer has stated that SYG does not apply, self-defense does. - ty97 Mar 27, 16:38
        
        well, i think the controversy is that most people don't think this makes sense on it's face. -- nm - TFox Mar 27, 16:30
      - I've heard that his lawyer said he wouldn't be pursuing that as a defence - Reagen Mar 27, 16:26
      - Before. -- nm - Roger More Mar 27, 16:25
    - Agree with IM. - St.Vermin Mar 27, 16:22
    - if you are the initiator of the aggression, it can't - pixitude Mar 27, 16:22 10
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      - But if he was walking back to the car when he was sucker punched... -- nm - Ender Mar 27, 16:24 8
        
        even with a 100% justified self-defense, you are only allowed to meet force with the same level of force - pixitude Mar 27, 16:27 7
        
        Hmmm. I think that varies by location. - St.Vermin Mar 27, 16:28 6
        
        And having your head pounded into the pavement may be considered lethal force. But here again is why the reporting in this case is so frustrating... - The Most Interesting Stephen in The World Mar 27, 16:34
        
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        how does it work in Alaska if he's within 30 feet and armed with Skittles? - TFox Mar 27, 16:30 1
        
        Tropical or Original flavour? -- nm - Roger More Mar 27, 16:31
        
        yes, a knife is a deadly weapon. fists are not a deadly weapon -- nm - pixitude Mar 27, 16:30 1
        
        Ah. I misread 'same level' then. My bad. -- nm - St.Vermin Mar 27, 16:31
America loves show trials. I expect an arrest, and there will be a trial. -- nm - Mop (196 lbs) Mar 27, 16:06
Im thinking he pleads guilty maybe to a lesser charge but not something that he would look like he getting away scott free - eag Mar 27, 16:00
there will be a civil wrongful death suit regardless -- nm - pixitude Mar 27, 15:58 7
- not if it is a SYG declaration, that law precludes civil penalties -- nm - zeitgeist Mar 27, 17:32
- In this kind of high profile case you need to be careful with that - eag Mar 27, 16:02 4
  - The mom trying to trademark "Justice for Trayvon" isn't a wise move, in that case. -- nm - St.Vermin Mar 27, 16:04 3
    - If it's a trademark, she can go after people who are trying to exploit him for their own causes - Reagen Mar 27, 16:06 1
      - Agreed. It's actually a very smart move. I was impressed. -- nm - pmb Mar 27, 16:13
    - I saw that and thats why I was thinking this -- nm - eag Mar 27, 16:04
- That's certainly my hope. -- nm - mara Mar 27, 16:02

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