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In response to "For the record...health care/insurance...that's what I do. It's what I've done for the last 15 years..." by Jim

you're making this personal.

Posted by colin (aka colinski) Jun 28 '12, 11:06

there is no need for that. you did it last board, and that's what bothers me. i'm talking about this as a concept, bigger picture and you pointed at me and said *I* am costing *you* money.

that's bullshit and i told you why - i've NEVER cost YOU money because of my healthcare. i'm not saying i'm better than everybody else. i didn't like being off healthcare, but i took reasonable precautions for the few brief times that i have been. and when i needed to go to the doctor, i paid for it in full out of pocket. when i'm under insurance, i'm paying in to a system that is supposed to spread out those costs to willing participants. if *that's* what you're saying is costing you money, then .. well.. i don't have much to say to that. but trying to call me out for not having insurance (which i do) and costing you money (which i have not) isn't an argument.

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I don't think he meant *you* in particular. - JaxSean Jun 28, 11:19
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- Thank you. -- nm - Jim Jun 28, 11:18 1
  - i think it was the caps lock that did it. - colin Jun 28, 11:19
Would it have been better to say "people who don't have insurance are costing people who do have insurance money"? Does that make it sit better with - Jim Jun 28, 11:16 1
- it makes it more true, that's for sure! -- nm - colin Jun 28, 11:17
And there was always a chance you'd suffer some large-cost episode that you could not cover out of pocket. - Will Hunting Jun 28, 11:16
But you got lucky, when you thought you were uninsured, you actually were because the government won't let you die in a car crash without at least - Guigue Jun 28, 11:10 47
- lots of people are outwardly healthy until they're not. - Mel Profit Jun 28, 11:13 3
  - That's like saying people will eat healthier if we give them free fruit at the grocery. I bet lots and lots of people still won't - oblique Jun 28, 11:23 2
    - I'm sure that's true, but many will. Nobody is expecting perfection. The question is does it improve things. - pmb Jun 28, 11:28
    - Probably not...however if it's there, there'll be more who use it than had in the past. - Will Hunting Jun 28, 11:25
- i have... car insurance for that.. and my car insurance covers me as a pedestrian and bicyclist as well. - colin Jun 28, 11:11 42
  - Fine, it wasn't the car accident.. but say appendicitis (that ruptured), hello 3-4 day hospital stay $$$ -- nm - James Bond (aka Igor) Jun 28, 11:14 22
    - $3000 to have the procedure if i'm diligent. does appendicitis jump up out of the blue? no... there's signs. - colin Jun 28, 11:20 21
      - Dude.. the CT scan to just diagnose your appy will be like $1,000. ER visit $500, ER Doc... you will probably rank up $2-3k before you even make it - James Bond (aka Igor) Jun 28, 11:26
      - Now you are starting to act like you're you own doctor... which is part of the problem of people being uninsured -- nm - con_carne Jun 28, 11:24 4
        
        this. my friend who died last month ignored a cough for a couple of years. whoops. -- nm - loosilu Jun 28, 11:25 3
        
        Yeah, and that's so sad. You know, I'm starting to feel better about this mandate thing. - con_carne Jun 28, 11:31 2
        
        just to be clear, he had coverage. my point was that he played doctor and decided it was nothing. - loosilu Jun 28, 11:33 1
        
        Ah, good point. Went off on a tangent there. -- nm - con_carne Jun 28, 11:39
      - heh. try over $28k -- (link) - decline Jun 28, 11:24
      - Hmm... appendicitis does jump out of the blue. I just had a dude last week who thought he had food poising, nothing really major just some - James Bond (aka Igor) Jun 28, 11:23
      - if you get it done in someone's garage. -- nm - loosilu Jun 28, 11:22 2
        
        HE DOES NOT HAVE A GARAGE, HE HAS NO CAR!!!!! nm -- nm - groiny Jun 28, 11:23 1
        
        yomank. -- nm - loosilu Jun 28, 11:24
      - $3,000? - amoxy Jun 28, 11:22
      - Doesn't appendicitis actually jump out of the blue? - Guigue Jun 28, 11:22
      - why are you arguing hypothetical details when people are talking about overall issues and concepts? - Andie Jun 28, 11:22 6
        
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        see, that's scary. -- nm - Andie Jun 28, 11:29 4
        
        And I can't imagine living with that fear - Guigue Jun 28, 11:31 3
        
        honestly, 25k does not take you very far should you end up in a hospital. - groiny Jun 28, 11:32 2
        
        I'm guessing for an uninsured patient that means automatic bankruptcy... -- nm - Guigue Jun 28, 11:34
        
        wasn't amoxy's stay more than that, even? -- nm - loosilu Jun 28, 11:34
      - what hosiptal would take your appendix out for 3 grand? - groiny Jun 28, 11:21
  - Jeebus man, I chose a car crash as a exemple... Fine, a small meteorite crushes your left leg then... - Guigue Jun 28, 11:13 3
    - that's harsh... - colin Jun 28, 11:15 2
      - ? - Guigue Jun 28, 11:20
      - Hi...are you still missing me? nm - The Point Jun 28, 11:19
  - it is no different that law requiring you to have car insurance. - groiny Jun 28, 11:12 10
    - That's a false argument, not everyone owns a car. - miffed67 Jun 28, 11:26 3
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      - aah, but as I understand it, her employer is going to get penalized for not offering her insurance, no? nm -- nm - groiny Jun 28, 11:28 1
        
        Yes, that's my take, too. Unfortunately, she works for my dentist! -- nm - miffed67 Jun 28, 11:53
    - and i choose to be a part of that system.. i think it is well run and would be angry if the gov't tried to up their involvement. -- nm - colin Jun 28, 11:13 5
      - so, how do you feel about those people who have a 'pre-existing' condition, and it comes back, and they are screwed? what happens to those people - Andie Jun 28, 11:15 4
        
        "we are sorry, your insurance does not cover that bypass surgery, because it is pre-existing" - groiny Jun 28, 11:16 3
        
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        have a heart! spread it out over 3 years... -- nm - colin Jun 28, 11:21 1
        
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  - your car insurance would cover you if you were walking across the street and got hit by a bus? -- nm - Andie Jun 28, 11:12 3
    - actually, it does. i've had several conversations with agents over pedestrian and bike incidents. coverage is very good! -- nm - colin Jun 28, 11:15
    - he does not walk on streets, Andie!!!!! NM -- nm - groiny Jun 28, 11:13
    - He has *very good* insurance. -- nm - ty97 Jun 28, 11:13

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