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Znu...The sense of entitlement comes from too many artists believing arts funding to be untouchable by the government.

Posted by Name Withheld By Request (aka BlueKopo) Jan 29 '09, 14:27

And what really gets under my skin is that far too many artists and arts groups make no efforts whatsoever to take on greater self-sufficiency. I know that it's tough for the average sculpter to make ends meet, but it is not natural inheirent that said sculpter is providing a community service either just by making stuff with clay.

My point is that arts funding is as worthy a government expenditure as any other.

Which means that some of it could surely be limited in recessionary times.

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The idea that the NEA supports artists is misleading - Harry Lime Jan 29, 14:53 1
- this is also true, though it will eventually trickle down to the individual artist... -- nm - znufrii Jan 29, 14:55
There are a couple of things here that are particular to Canada though. Many Canadians feel that 'Canadian' culture needs to be protected, so it's... - Roger More Jan 29, 14:42 2
- I dunno. I've friends in the arts committee here and while general nice people, just a little too self-assured of their value to society. - Name Withheld By Request Jan 29, 14:59
- In the US, the arts tend to include a lot of fringe voices, some immigrant voices. I think many Americans really resent that, thus - con_carne Jan 29, 14:50
i think you are understating the usefulness of a sculptor - they are often involved in community projects that benefit everyone - Guy is so happy to be back in Portland Jan 29, 14:41
Subsidizing someone alwyas, directly incentivizes them NOT to become self-sufficient. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jan 29, 14:35 16
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- If we truly wanted profession and business to be self-sufficent, then you would have a very limited selection of food and other necessesities.... - Walt_Disney Jan 29, 14:48
- yes, Vermin - everyone who gets money from the government become lazy... like Alaskans. -- nm - Guy is so happy to be back in Portland Jan 29, 14:45
- yes, Vermin - everyone who gets money from the government become lazy... like Alaskans. -- nm - Guy is so happy to be back in Portland Jan 29, 14:42 1
  - Exactly. Do you want a nation of Vermin? -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jan 29, 14:52
- the question you would need to ask, then, is whether or not it is reasonable to expect Arts organizations to be self-sufficient. - znufrii Jan 29, 14:39 9
  - Which results in masterbatory art exercises that no one gives a damn about except the artist, b/c they have no incentive to inspire anyone. -- nm - TFox Jan 29, 14:46 7
    - That art provoked you, and you remember it, so in a way, it did its job :) -- nm - con_carne Jan 29, 14:53
    - im going to guess that you haven't been to an art museum recently -- nm - Guy is so happy to be back in Portland Jan 29, 14:49 3
      - plenty, and i have a sister in the arts in NYC studying with people who do varying degrees of exactly what i describe. -- nm - TFox Jan 29, 14:50 2
        
        well, for starters, the stuff people get away with in art school is worlds different than what actually comes our once they're in the real world -- nm - znufrii Jan 29, 14:51 1
        
        which is kind of the point of any school, really. im sure a lot of shit ideas happen at MIT too. - Guy is so happy to be back in Portland Jan 29, 14:54
    - *gives you a $100,000 grant to make human sculptures out of straw* -- nm - znufrii Jan 29, 14:47
    - "...stur..." -- nm - TFox Jan 29, 14:46
  - I expect artists to be. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jan 29, 14:42
When NBWR runs for office, I may have to come out and help him....just because him and I agree on so much. - Walt_Disney Jan 29, 14:32 3
- "As my first act in office - I am banning condoms!!!" -- nm - NWBR-elected Jan 29, 15:00
- Love to have you down for a week in late September/early October 2011. - Name Withheld By Request Jan 29, 14:54
- You need to be his economic adviser :) -- nm - con_carne Jan 29, 14:33
that's certainly not the case here, in my experience. -- nm - znufrii Jan 29, 14:31 2
- I agree with NWBR's comments above, arts and culture are important but it probably cost the PM a majority in the election last October..... - Walt_Disney Jan 29, 14:37
- although when Reagan proposed to can NEA funding by 50% in the 80's it might have been a similar situation. -- nm - znufrii Jan 29, 14:36

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