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I'm not bashing art. But in general, if private society truly benefits from something, then private society will pay for it.

Posted by Dr.Vermin (aka Dr.Vermin) Jan 29 '09, 14:44

There are lots of successful artists who don't take a nickel from the gov't, correct?

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sure but most of them are dead -- nm - Dane Duke Nuuk Jan 29, 15:06
which is nice if you can calculate the precise economic value of art. -- nm - Reagen Jan 29, 14:55 7
- Maybe in difficult times, things whose value cannot be calculated *should* drop a few notches on the priority list. - Dr.Vermin Jan 29, 15:04 4
  - Maybe. But isn't the question about arts funding in general? - Reagen Jan 29, 15:07
  - just out of curiosity - where do the $18 billion in Wall Street bonuses fall in the priority list? -- nm - Guy Jan 29, 15:05 1
    - Bzzzt. Topic switcher. - Dr.Vermin Jan 29, 15:07
  - I probably wouldn't notice the $100 over the long run. I would however notice the sculpture. -- nm - znufrii Jan 29, 15:05
- which is exactly how corporations approach it, as a marketing expernse, weighing the cost of their support against the value of their name being every - znufrii Jan 29, 14:59 1
  - One of the more exciting new areas in arts funding advocacy is in developing the idea of a creative economy - Harry Lime Jan 29, 15:03
I would agree axcept the history of the 30's shows how arts funding can benefit society in hard times -- nm - The Calico Cat Coalition Jan 29, 14:55
but in difficult times they tend to support that what benefits them, personally, rather than society. - znufrii Jan 29, 14:53 4
- Society is made up of individuals. - Dr.Vermin Jan 29, 14:59 3
  - and perhaps it's better to do it in difficult times than good times to have a sculpture in the park. - znufrii Jan 29, 15:02 2
    - "when it drops off of people's priorities that it becomes the most important." - Dr.Vermin Jan 29, 15:05
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and if private society is having to pinch pennies? - Guy is so happy to be back in Portland Jan 29, 14:52 9
- Um... they pinch pennies too? Do you expect artists to be immune from economic downturns? - Dr.Vermin Jan 29, 14:55 8
  - haha... i think most artists are always in economic downturn mode. you act as if they are rolling in money. -- nm - Guy is so happy to be back in Portland Jan 29, 14:58 7
    - I don't at all. I expect them to suffer along with the rest of us. - Dr.Vermin Jan 29, 15:01 3
      - they usually just suffer regardless... :) -- nm - znufrii Jan 29, 15:03 2
        
        They need to. If they don't, their art sucks. -- nm - mara Jan 29, 15:04 1
        
        Perfect! Funding HURTS art, people! -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jan 29, 15:06
    - Then maybe, just maybe, some "artists" should consider whether they really can make a living making art. - Name Withheld By Request Jan 29, 15:01 2
      - creating art can create value above and beyond its immediate economic impact. - Reagen Jan 29, 15:03 1
        
        Fair enough. I just pulled it out of the air as an example, but I doubt you would disagree that some people trying to make their living by... - Name Withheld By Request Jan 29, 15:07
That is a nice point, but it breaks down if you think of the government itself as a patron -- nm - con_carne Jan 29, 14:46

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