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I agree with groiny. I think if we give up and say nope, gonna take care of mine and hightail it out we're training ourselves to be helpless...

Posted by Stephen (aka Sceire) Jul 20 '12, 09:12

Now it may be that if we found ourselves there might not be anything we can do, but people shouldn't sell themselves short. It doesn't take a super soldier to make a difference and save lives. Just look at what the passengers of Flight 93 did.

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Seriously, I'm from LA, and there is one thing you do to survive a shooting, and nothing else: Belly. To. The floor. Period. -- nm - con_carne Jul 20, 09:25 8
- a drive by, sure. - groiny Jul 20, 09:26 7
  - if someone has the opportunity and ability to stop him, absolutely do it. -- nm - loosilu Jul 20, 09:28 6
    - Funny, I don't recall seeing that on any public service announcements growing up -- nm - con_carne Jul 20, 09:30 5
      - [nods] If it's never been followed by "the more you know" and a melodic chime, it can't be a good idea. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jul 20, 09:35 4
        
        And I'm not saying you're wrong. As a Sociology major, I'm reminded of the dilemma of collective behavior. - con_carne Jul 20, 10:05 1
        
        We absolutely agree. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jul 20, 10:14
        
        average citizens thinking they know better than trained law enforcement and emergency response isn't that great an idea either. -- nm - Max Jul 20, 09:50 1
        
        you can run from a knife but its hard to out run a bullet...in the last mass shooting in seattle the cook in the cafe was credited with saving several - zeitgeist Jul 20, 10:08
What the passengers of Flight 93 did was die, dude -- nm - con_carne Jul 20, 09:23 2
- Yes, while saving countless other lives had the plane reached its target.... -- nm - Stephen Jul 20, 09:24
- and they knew they would all die regardless. there was no way out. -- nm - loosilu Jul 20, 09:23
Probably bad timing to ask this, but do you want ideas for things to do at ND... don't know if you've been to a game before or if it's just your dad -- nm - rollo Jul 20, 09:15 9
- One of my favorite trips in college, we opened their stadium (post-renovation) in 1997. -- nm - Strongbad Jul 20, 09:21 7
  - Ga Tech? -- nm - rollo Jul 20, 09:23 6
    - Yes. -- nm - Strongbad Jul 20, 09:24 5
      - I remember the away game the year before being close but an ND win. I don't remember how the home game went. -- nm - rollo Jul 20, 09:28 4
        
        Now that I've looked it up, it appears I was thinking of the games in 2006 and 2007. Since the 2007 season never happened, you can see my confusion. -- nm - rollo Jul 20, 09:41 3
        
        Word. -- nm - Stephen Jul 20, 09:48
        
        That home loss really hurt. Stupid Brady Quinn and Jeff Samardzija - Strongbad Jul 20, 09:46 1
        
        GameDay was on campus that day. Tough loss. -- nm - Strongbad Jul 20, 10:09
- Yes, absolutely! - Stephen Jul 20, 09:18
In that theater situation my sole focus is getting my family to safety. Until that is done I have no other objective. -- nm - TWuG Jul 20, 09:15 14
- Yeah, having the family there definitely changes the scenario. - Dr.Vermin Jul 20, 09:18
- most midnight shows I see, I see solo. - groiny Jul 20, 09:16 12
  - I'd like to think I'm the person that protects others in that situation. But thinking it and being it are worlds apart. - TWuG Jul 20, 09:20
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    - i think the reality of what happened in colorado, with the tear gas (or whatever it was), and the body armor - tRuMaN Jul 20, 09:19 8
      - I think you'd be nuts to make a run at him. Not only is he shooting, who knows what else he's carrying? -- nm - loosilu Jul 20, 09:20 7
        
        Yeah, if I make a move on a person like that, I do so prepared to die -- nm - con_carne Jul 20, 09:53
        
        yeah, that is what i am saying - tRuMaN Jul 20, 09:21
        
        depends on where you are in relation to him. - groiny Jul 20, 09:21 4
        
        well, since I am female, short, unarmed, and have zero training, I would go nowhere near this guy. -- nm - loosilu Jul 20, 09:22 3
        
        There is no shame in self-preservation in a situation like this. -- nm - TWuG Jul 20, 09:26 1
        
        correct. I do not fault anyone for getting out and running for the hills. - groiny Jul 20, 09:27
        
        and I do not fault you for that. nm -- nm - groiny Jul 20, 09:23
    - almost never, in these type situations. nm -- nm - groiny Jul 20, 09:19
After time to figure out a course of action and the realization that they were going to die anyhow. - Will Hunting Jul 20, 09:14 4
- See, I'd think in that situation more people would think "oh shit he's going to kill us all unless someone does something" -- nm - Stephen Jul 20, 09:19 3
  - Thinking just isn't the best thing people do during situations like this. Your mind is going to resort to gut instincts like fear, survival and - con_carne Jul 20, 09:51 1
    - Yeah, Stephen's one fo the few here I could see reacting with to this degree with competency. - Will Hunting Jul 20, 09:57
  - but 99% of people havent had any training on how to do anything in that situation. - tRuMaN Jul 20, 09:20
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- And I think the best answer to that question is...maybe. -- nm - Stephen Jul 20, 09:41

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