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For at least one black 96-year-old, it was easier to vote during the Jim Crow era than it is under the new voter ID laws. -- (link)

Posted by mara Aug 17 '12, 19:35

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http://www.poormojo.org/pmjadaily/archives/038331.php (www.poormojo.org)

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So...all she needs to do is get a copy of her marriage license? - Stephen Aug 17, 19:53 3
- But involves a cost, which for low-income people is a burden. -- nm - mara Aug 17, 20:01 2
  - A one time, low cost. -- nm - Stephen Aug 17, 20:10
  - Then make it free for the same people who get free ids... -- nm - Ender Aug 17, 20:02
So knowing little about this, why is it bad to require someone to have an ID to vote? - JaxSean Aug 17, 19:49 18
- The entire thing is a cheap ploy of dirty politics and nothing else. - David Aug 17, 19:57 5
  - Oh, I agree. I just figured everyone already had to show ID to vote. - JaxSean Aug 17, 20:07 4
    - That's the point. Who walks in and tries to vote as someone else? - David Aug 17, 20:14
    - I remember being surprised by this the first time I voted. I just expected to have to prove my identity. -- nm - Fuzzy Aug 17, 20:09
    - Thread jack, if RC can't help I can ask the lawyer at work of you want. -- nm - spamlet (iPhone) Aug 17, 20:08 1
      - Thanks, pmb also offered. -- nm - JaxSean Aug 17, 20:14
- because inner city peoplem who don't drive may not have ID. - loosi at home Aug 17, 19:50 11
  - many elderly mostly rural mostly black citizens don't have a verifiable record of birth, didn't go to school, I mean prior to WW2 white gov didn't - zeitgeist Aug 17, 19:56
  - So they should still have to prove who they are when they vote. -- nm - JaxSean Aug 17, 19:53 5
    - Counterpoint... - David Aug 17, 20:03 4
      - welcome back, 55 paragraph David! -- nm - JaxSean Aug 17, 20:09 2
        
        That's from WaPo if it's not clear. -- nm - David Aug 17, 20:14
        
        Ah, the good ol' days! -- nm - Fuzzy Aug 17, 20:10
      - Does this post have Cliff Notes? -- nm - Bacon Aug 17, 20:04
  - And they can't get a copy of their birth certificate for free, and some can't even pin down their birth certificate. -- nm - mara Aug 17, 19:52 3
    - Small correction, at least in PA they are waiving the fee to get your birth certificate for voter ID -- nm - Fuzzy Aug 17, 20:05
    - 100's of thousands do NOT have birth certs, especially poor blacks born in the rural south -- nm - zeitgeist Aug 17, 20:00
    - Like Obama... is that what you're trying to say? Never pegged you for a Birther. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Aug 17, 19:55
Yesterday I was trying to list the other situations people face which require a govt-issued photo ID. - Fuzzy Aug 17, 19:40 14
- Picking up a young relative from Daycare. Most are requiring a parent to phone ahead to approve and ID at pickup. -- nm - Bacon Aug 17, 19:56
- Buying sudafed, anything involving a car... -- nm - Ender Aug 17, 19:53
- Getting a marriage license, and basically when you are stopped and questioned by a cop, if you don't have ID you can be held till your ID is - zeitgeist Aug 17, 19:47
- Library cards may require a photo ID. -- nm - mara Aug 17, 19:42 2
  - I have a barcode on my keychain. I avoid the library because of bedbug fear. - loosi at home Aug 17, 19:50
  - well its been years, but hte last time I applied, they just asked for a utility bill in my name, lease paper, just anything to show I didn't just make - zeitgeist Aug 17, 19:48
- (none of those being Constitutionally guaranteed rights) -- nm - Reagen Aug 17, 19:41 7
  - My point was that I was curious about how someone gets through life without a photo ID and I was trying to list the activities they would have avoided -- nm - Fuzzy Aug 17, 19:55
  - Then again, voting isn't really either, technically. -- nm - Ender Aug 17, 19:45 4
    - the 15th, 19th and 26th are close enough. -- nm - Reagen Aug 17, 19:47 3
      - Those establish 3 things suffrage can't be denied on, but that's still not establishing a universal right. -- nm - Ender Aug 17, 19:51 2
        
        in which case the exception proves the rule - Reagen Aug 17, 19:53 1
        
        Your best argument is actually the 14th because that one can be twisted to mean fucking anything. -- nm - Ender Aug 17, 19:55
  - To a larger point, if we as a people starting turning a blind eye to the disenfranchising of citizens, we stop being a democracy. -- nm - David Aug 17, 19:42

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