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Campaign seeks public support for congestion-pricing plan on Chicago-area roads -- (link)

Posted by ty97 Oct 15 '12, 09:40

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link (www.chicagotribune.com)

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not only that but I have to be a "Plus" member to even read that story -- nm - oblique Oct 15, 09:46 2
- Really? I'm not. -- nm - ty97 Oct 15, 09:47 1
  - when I clicked from Google it worked -- nm - oblique Oct 15, 09:49
You built those roads... but you can't use them. -- nm - Mop on Mac Pro Oct 15, 09:45 1
- well, they're not going to maintain themselves... -- nm - znufrii Oct 15, 09:47
Expect more metro areas to go this route over time. - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:43 21
- I love the idea of pay-for-what-you-use. -- nm - ty97 Oct 15, 09:47 20
  - so the poorest wouldn't be able to use anything. -- nm - Don Homer Oct 15, 09:50 7
    - If people are that poor, I doubt they can afford a car and are using transit so it's a moot point, but..... - ty97 Oct 15, 09:54
    - It has to be part of a system. Meet the poor's needs through better public transport, and subsidise the poor who use it. -- nm - Roger More Oct 15, 09:54
    - in this scenario, existing capacity would be free to use, the congestion charge would be for using the proposed new express lanes. -- nm - znufrii Oct 15, 09:53 4
      - Or completely new bypasses (like they've done in FL and I think TX) -- nm - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:55 3
        
        right. - znufrii Oct 15, 09:57
        
        I think there are two items at play. Funding new highways via tools, and congesting pricing on existing highways. - ty97 Oct 15, 09:57 1
        
        We agree. -- nm - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:57
  - Yep. It's called a "gas tax". -- nm - Mop on Mac Pro Oct 15, 09:49 11
    - Incorrect. - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:51 10
      - the reason hybrids should benefit there is to compensate for the costs borne by society (pollution, etc.) of fossil fuel consumption. -- nm - znufrii Oct 15, 10:05 2
        
        By the same rules that allow hybrids to use HOV lanes, those could be added in as well -- nm - oblique Oct 15, 10:12
        
        I'm fine with that in theory. - Strongbad Oct 15, 10:11
      - I'll grant you that it's imprecise, but that was certainly the premise of the design. - Mop on Mac Pro Oct 15, 09:55 6
        
        the only other option would be to drastically increase the gas tax to actually be able to cover the costs of system maintenance and expansion. - znufrii Oct 15, 10:01 1
        
        I'm fine with this just like I'm fine with increasing property taxes to actually pay for our schools. I'm f-ing sick of deficits - oblique Oct 15, 10:02
        
        Yes, that was the premise when it began. As technology has developed, the equity of the gas tax has declined. - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:56 3
        
        You put a toll on a road, it's never gonna come down. -- nm - Mop on Mac Pro Oct 15, 09:57 2
        
        Good. -- nm - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:58
        
        That's the point. -- nm - ty97 Oct 15, 09:57

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