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In response to "Campaign seeks public support for congestion-pricing plan on Chicago-area roads -- (link)" by ty97

Expect more metro areas to go this route over time.

Posted by Strongbad (aka Rambler14) Oct 15 '12, 09:43

As the gas tax nears extinction, we need a better way to appropriately maintain roads.

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I love the idea of pay-for-what-you-use. -- nm - ty97 Oct 15, 09:47 20
- so the poorest wouldn't be able to use anything. -- nm - Don Homer Oct 15, 09:50 7
  - If people are that poor, I doubt they can afford a car and are using transit so it's a moot point, but..... - ty97 Oct 15, 09:54
  - It has to be part of a system. Meet the poor's needs through better public transport, and subsidise the poor who use it. -- nm - Roger More Oct 15, 09:54
  - in this scenario, existing capacity would be free to use, the congestion charge would be for using the proposed new express lanes. -- nm - znufrii Oct 15, 09:53 4
    - Or completely new bypasses (like they've done in FL and I think TX) -- nm - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:55 3
      - right. - znufrii Oct 15, 09:57
      - I think there are two items at play. Funding new highways via tools, and congesting pricing on existing highways. - ty97 Oct 15, 09:57 1
        
        We agree. -- nm - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:57
- Yep. It's called a "gas tax". -- nm - Mop on Mac Pro Oct 15, 09:49 11
  - Incorrect. - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:51 10
    - the reason hybrids should benefit there is to compensate for the costs borne by society (pollution, etc.) of fossil fuel consumption. -- nm - znufrii Oct 15, 10:05 2
      - By the same rules that allow hybrids to use HOV lanes, those could be added in as well -- nm - oblique Oct 15, 10:12
      - I'm fine with that in theory. - Strongbad Oct 15, 10:11
    - I'll grant you that it's imprecise, but that was certainly the premise of the design. - Mop on Mac Pro Oct 15, 09:55 6
      - the only other option would be to drastically increase the gas tax to actually be able to cover the costs of system maintenance and expansion. - znufrii Oct 15, 10:01 1
        
        I'm fine with this just like I'm fine with increasing property taxes to actually pay for our schools. I'm f-ing sick of deficits - oblique Oct 15, 10:02
      - Yes, that was the premise when it began. As technology has developed, the equity of the gas tax has declined. - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:56 3
        
        You put a toll on a road, it's never gonna come down. -- nm - Mop on Mac Pro Oct 15, 09:57 2
        
        Good. -- nm - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:58
        
        That's the point. -- nm - ty97 Oct 15, 09:57

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