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In response to "Expect more metro areas to go this route over time." by Strongbad

I love the idea of pay-for-what-you-use. -- nm

Posted by ty97 Oct 15 '12, 09:47

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so the poorest wouldn't be able to use anything. -- nm - Don Homer Oct 15, 09:50 7
- If people are that poor, I doubt they can afford a car and are using transit so it's a moot point, but..... - ty97 Oct 15, 09:54
- It has to be part of a system. Meet the poor's needs through better public transport, and subsidise the poor who use it. -- nm - Roger More Oct 15, 09:54
- in this scenario, existing capacity would be free to use, the congestion charge would be for using the proposed new express lanes. -- nm - znufrii Oct 15, 09:53 4
  - Or completely new bypasses (like they've done in FL and I think TX) -- nm - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:55 3
    - right. - znufrii Oct 15, 09:57
    - I think there are two items at play. Funding new highways via tools, and congesting pricing on existing highways. - ty97 Oct 15, 09:57 1
      - We agree. -- nm - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:57
Yep. It's called a "gas tax". -- nm - Mop on Mac Pro Oct 15, 09:49 11
- Incorrect. - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:51 10
  - the reason hybrids should benefit there is to compensate for the costs borne by society (pollution, etc.) of fossil fuel consumption. -- nm - znufrii Oct 15, 10:05 2
    - By the same rules that allow hybrids to use HOV lanes, those could be added in as well -- nm - oblique Oct 15, 10:12
    - I'm fine with that in theory. - Strongbad Oct 15, 10:11
  - I'll grant you that it's imprecise, but that was certainly the premise of the design. - Mop on Mac Pro Oct 15, 09:55 6
    - the only other option would be to drastically increase the gas tax to actually be able to cover the costs of system maintenance and expansion. - znufrii Oct 15, 10:01 1
      - I'm fine with this just like I'm fine with increasing property taxes to actually pay for our schools. I'm f-ing sick of deficits - oblique Oct 15, 10:02
    - Yes, that was the premise when it began. As technology has developed, the equity of the gas tax has declined. - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:56 3
      - You put a toll on a road, it's never gonna come down. -- nm - Mop on Mac Pro Oct 15, 09:57 2
        
        Good. -- nm - Strongbad Oct 15, 09:58
        
        That's the point. -- nm - ty97 Oct 15, 09:57

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