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"There's no one solution, there's a long list of them."

Posted by Strongbad (aka Rambler14) Mar 19 '13, 09:47

"Our message was weak; our ground game was insufficient; we weren�t inclusive; we were behind in both data and digital; our primary and debate process needed improvement.�

RNC chairman Reince Priebus on what went wrong with Republicans in the 2012 elections

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The one bright spot was his concession to a need to come to the table on comprehensive immigration reform. - znufrii Mar 19, 09:55
Heck if I know how to solve the primary and debate problem, when you have billionaires able to come in and - con_carne Mar 19, 09:51
He's not wrong. - Stephen Mar 19, 09:50
The case he made on Face the Nation Sunday proves he just does not get it. The message wasn't weak. The message was wrong - Mr. Havens Mar 19, 09:50 28
- I don't agree with the IM very much. It wasn't that there were too many debates. it was that there were too many fringe voters. - Will Hunting Mar 19, 10:00 9
  - My IM was me agreeing with what Priebus himself said on FtN - Mr. Havens Mar 19, 10:05 8
    - And I don't agree per se. Hillary and Obama in 2008 had as long a contest and Obama did fine - Will Hunting Mar 19, 10:09 7
      - Romney wasn't the only one who botched it. Rove botched it. Priebus botched it. Akin botched it. They all botched it - Mr. Havens Mar 19, 10:13 4
        
        Because most people zone out for July/August so why spend General Election money in dead zones? - Will Hunting Mar 19, 10:22
        
        You wait a couple months to make it "official" for financial reasons. Primary funds and general elections funds are two separate pots. - Ender Mar 19, 10:17 2
        
        So you wait to spend out one pot before spending out of the other, even though it's going to be the same message either way? Not good enough -- nm - Mr. Havens Mar 19, 10:19 1
        
        The general election pot is much smaller than the primary pot, so the less time you spend it in the more effect it has. -- nm - Ender Mar 19, 10:23
      - because a one on one between two strong candidates is a different matter than the circular firing squad that was the GOP's nominating process -- nm - znufrii Mar 19, 10:12 1
        
        President is a 4yr job where you are getting hammered by everyone. He's saying the GOP can't survive 6 months of that - Will Hunting Mar 19, 10:19
- I've never seen a candidate have to fight so hard to maintain his base and have so little time to pivot to the center. - Mel Profit Mar 19, 10:00 9
  - They keep trying to maintain a base that itself maintains a losing argument, by saying "You don't need to change anything, your opinions are right, - Max Mar 19, 10:05 8
    - I think they're going to be very embarrassed by the whole Anti-Gay message a lot sooner than I thought. -- nm - Mel Profit Mar 19, 10:12 4
      - I wouldn't be so sure. Churches are a main way GOP gets organized, and we know how many of them feel about SSM. -- nm - con_carne Mar 19, 10:15 3
        
        You're discounting the number of minority churches who don't support the GOP at all. -- nm - Strongbad Mar 19, 10:16 2
        
        but what do those have to do with informing the GOP's views on marriage? -- nm - znufrii Mar 19, 10:19
        
        I didn't want to call out any particular ones -- nm - con_carne Mar 19, 10:18
    - (agreed) -- nm - Strongbad Mar 19, 10:07
    - Which goes back to the original post. There isn't one solution... -- nm - Mr. Havens Mar 19, 10:06
    - agreed. -- nm - Mel Profit Mar 19, 10:06
- Republicans were falling all over themselves claiming a long debate and primary season could only lead to a stronger GOP candidate - con_carne Mar 19, 09:53 7
  - Sometimes, it takes a major defeat to reassess one's belief system. November's shellacking requires a GOP reboot - Mr. Havens Mar 19, 10:03
  - they were wrong. it led to Mitt Romney. -- nm - znufrii Mar 19, 09:55 5
    - And the 2012 GOP candidate who you think would have done sooo much better than Romney is? -- nm - con_carne Mar 19, 09:58 2
      - I'd say no one and I blame their base. - Mel Profit Mar 19, 10:01
      - (I agree) -- nm - Strongbad Mar 19, 10:00
    - So is the process flawed simply because the end result failed? -- nm - Strongbad Mar 19, 09:56 1
      - or did the end result fail because the process was flawed? -- nm - znufrii Mar 19, 09:57

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