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In response to ""There's no one solution, there's a long list of them."" by Strongbad

The case he made on Face the Nation Sunday proves he just does not get it. The message wasn't weak. The message was wrong

Posted by Mr. Havens (aka EdwardHavens) Mar 19 '13, 09:50

However, he is dead right about shrinking the debate window and moving up the nominating convention.

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I don't agree with the IM very much. It wasn't that there were too many debates. it was that there were too many fringe voters. - Will Hunting Mar 19, 10:00 9
- My IM was me agreeing with what Priebus himself said on FtN - Mr. Havens Mar 19, 10:05 8
  - And I don't agree per se. Hillary and Obama in 2008 had as long a contest and Obama did fine - Will Hunting Mar 19, 10:09 7
    - Romney wasn't the only one who botched it. Rove botched it. Priebus botched it. Akin botched it. They all botched it - Mr. Havens Mar 19, 10:13 4
      - Because most people zone out for July/August so why spend General Election money in dead zones? - Will Hunting Mar 19, 10:22
      - You wait a couple months to make it "official" for financial reasons. Primary funds and general elections funds are two separate pots. - Ender Mar 19, 10:17 2
        
        So you wait to spend out one pot before spending out of the other, even though it's going to be the same message either way? Not good enough -- nm - Mr. Havens Mar 19, 10:19 1
        
        The general election pot is much smaller than the primary pot, so the less time you spend it in the more effect it has. -- nm - Ender Mar 19, 10:23
    - because a one on one between two strong candidates is a different matter than the circular firing squad that was the GOP's nominating process -- nm - znufrii Mar 19, 10:12 1
      - President is a 4yr job where you are getting hammered by everyone. He's saying the GOP can't survive 6 months of that - Will Hunting Mar 19, 10:19
I've never seen a candidate have to fight so hard to maintain his base and have so little time to pivot to the center. - Mel Profit Mar 19, 10:00 9
- They keep trying to maintain a base that itself maintains a losing argument, by saying "You don't need to change anything, your opinions are right, - Max Mar 19, 10:05 8
  - I think they're going to be very embarrassed by the whole Anti-Gay message a lot sooner than I thought. -- nm - Mel Profit Mar 19, 10:12 4
    - I wouldn't be so sure. Churches are a main way GOP gets organized, and we know how many of them feel about SSM. -- nm - con_carne Mar 19, 10:15 3
      - You're discounting the number of minority churches who don't support the GOP at all. -- nm - Strongbad Mar 19, 10:16 2
        
        but what do those have to do with informing the GOP's views on marriage? -- nm - znufrii Mar 19, 10:19
        
        I didn't want to call out any particular ones -- nm - con_carne Mar 19, 10:18
  - (agreed) -- nm - Strongbad Mar 19, 10:07
  - Which goes back to the original post. There isn't one solution... -- nm - Mr. Havens Mar 19, 10:06
  - agreed. -- nm - Mel Profit Mar 19, 10:06
Republicans were falling all over themselves claiming a long debate and primary season could only lead to a stronger GOP candidate - con_carne Mar 19, 09:53 7
- Sometimes, it takes a major defeat to reassess one's belief system. November's shellacking requires a GOP reboot - Mr. Havens Mar 19, 10:03
- they were wrong. it led to Mitt Romney. -- nm - znufrii Mar 19, 09:55 5
  - And the 2012 GOP candidate who you think would have done sooo much better than Romney is? -- nm - con_carne Mar 19, 09:58 2
    - I'd say no one and I blame their base. - Mel Profit Mar 19, 10:01
    - (I agree) -- nm - Strongbad Mar 19, 10:00
  - So is the process flawed simply because the end result failed? -- nm - Strongbad Mar 19, 09:56 1
    - or did the end result fail because the process was flawed? -- nm - znufrii Mar 19, 09:57

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The case he made on Face the Nation Sunday proves he just does not get it. The message wasn't weak. The message was wrong

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