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In response to "Soooo.... the difficult topic floating around the Canadian political world today is about the Rehtaeh Parsons case. (Longish)" by Name Withheld By Request

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Posted by Reagen Apr 26 '13, 09:20

you can plan ahead to not drive - i.e. take precautionary steps so that you will not be forced into the situation of driving drunk. I don't know what you can do to make sure you don't have sex when you're drunk.

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I think it's more of a spectrum argument than that though. One can still have consensual sex after consuming some drinks. - Name Withheld By Request Apr 26, 09:26 22
- for drinking i think there is a line, if you can't no-one when to stop, you don't start. sex doesn't work the same way. - Andie Apr 26, 09:37 3
  - "no-one" should be "no when". -- nm - Andie Apr 26, 09:37 2
    - *know when* - Andie Apr 26, 09:38 1
      - All right, you're cut off. -- nm - Dr.Vermin, bartender Apr 26, 09:38
- It still winds up as victim blaming, to me. - Reagen Apr 26, 09:30 17
  - Okay, ignoring that last aspect because it muddies the waters, I still don't know what you do in this case. - Name Withheld By Request Apr 26, 09:33 13
    - Without having seen the evidence, I have no idea whether or not they can be convicted of something. What I do feel confident of is that these are kids - Reagen Apr 26, 09:38 12
      - It sounds like there isn't any evidence to see. Where does your confidence come from? - Dr.Vermin Apr 26, 09:41 11
        
        they themselves seem to be saying that *something* happened with the drunk girl, and they then slut-shamed her into suicide. - Reagen Apr 26, 09:44 4
        
        But were the boys not also *drunk 15-year-olds*? - Dr.Vermin Apr 26, 09:50
        
        To be fair, your "these are not the actions of good people" would have likely convicted half my high school of being immoral. - Name Withheld By Request Apr 26, 09:49 2
        
        I have high standards, yes. -- nm - Reagen Apr 26, 09:50 1
        
        I really like this post - wish more parents did - maybe their kids would too? -- nm - JenBro Apr 26, 12:30
        
        i can agree that what they did was immoral. - Andie Apr 26, 09:43 5
        
        It's not the lack of "No" that's at issue. If we believe the police, the witness suggests she was willing and encouraging. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Apr 26, 09:45 4
        
        right, which is why we are differentiating between Immoral and Illegal. - Andie Apr 26, 09:46 2
        
        That somewhat presupposes that the boys were sober enough to make the rational choice as well. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Apr 26, 09:50 1
        
        we don't excuse other crimes because you were drunk at the time. -- nm - Reagen Apr 26, 09:53
        
        one can regret getting so drunk as to put oneself in such a position without making your actions consensual. -- nm - Reagen Apr 26, 09:46
  - It also works without the comma. -- nm - Beryllium Apr 26, 09:32 2
    - I thought about that after. But no need to get so specific. -- nm - Reagen Apr 26, 09:33 1
      - heheheh -- nm - Beryllium Apr 26, 09:38

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