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In response to "It still winds up as victim blaming, to me." by Reagen

Okay, ignoring that last aspect because it muddies the waters, I still don't know what you do in this case.

Posted by Name Withheld By Request (aka BlueKopo) Apr 26 '13, 09:33

The boys are being assumed guilty, but enough professionals with no apparent reason to be prejudicial have said that there's no evidence it wasn't consensual.

How do you give the boys a fair standing without making the girl into less of a victim?

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Without having seen the evidence, I have no idea whether or not they can be convicted of something. What I do feel confident of is that these are kids - Reagen Apr 26, 09:38 12
- It sounds like there isn't any evidence to see. Where does your confidence come from? - Dr.Vermin Apr 26, 09:41 11
  - they themselves seem to be saying that *something* happened with the drunk girl, and they then slut-shamed her into suicide. - Reagen Apr 26, 09:44 4
    - But were the boys not also *drunk 15-year-olds*? - Dr.Vermin Apr 26, 09:50
    - To be fair, your "these are not the actions of good people" would have likely convicted half my high school of being immoral. - Name Withheld By Request Apr 26, 09:49 2
      - I have high standards, yes. -- nm - Reagen Apr 26, 09:50 1
        
        I really like this post - wish more parents did - maybe their kids would too? -- nm - JenBro Apr 26, 12:30
  - i can agree that what they did was immoral. - Andie Apr 26, 09:43 5
    - It's not the lack of "No" that's at issue. If we believe the police, the witness suggests she was willing and encouraging. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Apr 26, 09:45 4
      - right, which is why we are differentiating between Immoral and Illegal. - Andie Apr 26, 09:46 2
        
        That somewhat presupposes that the boys were sober enough to make the rational choice as well. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Apr 26, 09:50 1
        
        we don't excuse other crimes because you were drunk at the time. -- nm - Reagen Apr 26, 09:53
      - one can regret getting so drunk as to put oneself in such a position without making your actions consensual. -- nm - Reagen Apr 26, 09:46

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Okay, ignoring that last aspect because it muddies the waters, I still don't know what you do in this case.

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