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In response to "How do you get conservatives to buy energey efficient products? -- (link)" by Don Homer

cost helps too... i've seen a lot more telling you how much you'll save. LED has helped a lot over CFL. -- nm

Posted by colin (aka colinski) Apr 30 '13, 12:27

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also, letting the market decide. outlawing incandescent lights will upset a lot of folks. -- nm - colin Apr 30, 12:28 23
- banning lead gasoline upset a lot of people too in the 70s - charlie Apr 30, 12:29 13
  - that's a different subject altogether though... banning something for health reasons is one thing. banning them for being inefficient is another. - colin Apr 30, 12:30 12
    - 1) you say that like those aren't related issues and 2) 1 2013 Mustang gets about double the MPG of a 1970 model precisely because we required - Reagen Apr 30, 12:35 9
      - You think car companies would not increase efficiency unless it was mandated? - colin Apr 30, 12:38 8
        
        They have little incentive to do it. It costs money to create the additional efficiency that they don't see the benefit of. Maybe they would try out - pmb Apr 30, 12:41
        
        they sure as heck figured out how to do it in a hurry. -- nm - Reagen Apr 30, 12:39
        
        not if people were buying them anyway. -- nm - Andie Apr 30, 12:38 5
        
        most people will buy a more efficient car with rising costs of fuel. companies, who want to make money, will make more efficient vehicles to make - colin Apr 30, 12:40 4
        
        but the more fuel efficient cars have to exist on the market in order for the customers to buy them in the first place. -- nm - znufrii Apr 30, 12:44 1
        
        right. if all cars just have bad mileage, it becomes 'just the way it is.' -- nm - Andie Apr 30, 12:46
        
        That's just not historically true. And high gas prices are a fairly recent phenomenon. We would be far behind in fuel efficiency from where we are - pmb Apr 30, 12:43
        
        I don't know about you, but I can't just turn around and buy a new car just because fuel prices went up - Reagen Apr 30, 12:43
    - it was for efficiency reasons, since lead wouldn't work in engines with catalytic converters -- nm - charlie Apr 30, 12:32 1
      - not entirely. it was for health reasons as well. - colin Apr 30, 12:36
- incandescents were never banned. They just have to be more efficient. -- nm - Reagen Apr 30, 12:28 8
  - sure they weren't, but that was the threat. -- nm - colin Apr 30, 12:29 7
    - Imagined, in people's minds. My subject line was the whole of the proposal and law. -- nm - Reagen Apr 30, 12:30 6
      - you're oversimplifying. there are bans on all or just inefficient bulbs getting ready to roll out in a number of countries. it's not made up. - colin Apr 30, 12:34 5
        
        GE (Among other companies) already have incandescents that meet the higher standards. -- (link) - Reagen Apr 30, 12:37 4
        
        you're intentionally missing my point. -- nm - colin Apr 30, 12:39 3
        
        Not really. The law doesn't say what you say it does, and the problems people are imagining are already solved. -- nm - Reagen Apr 30, 12:40 2
        
        there are many laws in many countries. are we limiting this argument to the US only? - colin Apr 30, 12:42 1
        
        I'm speaking of the US only, yes. - Reagen Apr 30, 12:46

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