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Student sues after professor shuts down speech on Christianity in speech class in public school. Thoughts? -- (link)

Posted by oblique, better than nubby (aka kkuphal) Feb 18 '09, 07:13

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http://christianpost.com/Education/Public_edu/2009/02/attorney-college-student-has-right-to-give-speech-on-christian-faith-18/index.html (christianpost.com)

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If the speech was truly informative, then I dont object to the speech. The hard part is when is it information and when it is preaching. -- nm - Walt_Disney Feb 18, 07:28
I wonder what the content of the speech was, but as a general rule, the school is dead wrong here. - ty97 Feb 18, 07:26
If a student was reading from the Koran and defending the ideas of jihad against America, I'm thinking people wouldn't bat an eye that the teacher - JaxSean Feb 18, 07:24 4
- well, any speech advocating violence should be shut down, but a speech outlining the basic beliefs of any religion, i don't think should be. - Andie Feb 18, 07:27 3
  - I agrree - but if their religion believes in violence, then where do you draw the line? - JaxSean Feb 18, 07:32 1
    - you draw the line at a call to violence. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:33
  - we did this in junior high social studies, had members of the class talk about their various religious beliefs -- nm - znufrii, cliqueless Feb 18, 07:29
if it's a public speaking class, and their are no guidelines he's violating, then of course he had the right to speak on the topic. -- nm - Andie Feb 18, 07:21 10
- "This school, like most colleges in the country, has a speech code, that prohibits any speech that are offensive or causes a negative impact," -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Feb 18, 07:25 8
  - The point of the suit is to get rid of that restriction. -- nm - ty97 Feb 18, 07:30
  - right, that's way too vague. and without hearing his speech i wouldn't even begin to say whether it does or doesn't follow this. -- nm - Andie Feb 18, 07:28
  - Nothing too broad about that. -- nm - TWuG Feb 18, 07:27 4
    - So what if it is broad? What, should it specifically say "No speeches on Nazis, rape and child molestation. Otherwise anything goes."? -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Feb 18, 07:30 3
      - Put the shoe on the other foot. If a student was upset that a gay or lesbian rights speech was being made, they would consider that "a negative". - Name Withheld By Request Feb 18, 07:35
      - it's fine, but it in no way indicates that a speech on the basics of a religion would be wrong. -- nm - Andie Feb 18, 07:31
      - for starters, it could lead to crap like "any speech that mentions Jesus is inappropriate". -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:31
  - ugh. "speech codes". bleah. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:26
- there. (god, i'm tired today.) -- nm - Andie Feb 18, 07:21
I was thinking "high school" when you said "public school", but it was actually a public college. - TWuG Feb 18, 07:20 2
- You are right...cause there is no free speech rights in public high schools, but college is different -- nm - The Calico Cat Coalition Feb 18, 07:22
- oh, that's ridiculous then. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:20
It's an inappropriate topic in a public school. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Feb 18, 07:19 13
- I think that totally depends on the content of the speech. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:20 12
  - I don't know that it does. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Feb 18, 07:23 11
    - an academic/historic speech is completely different form a sermon, for instance. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:24 10
      - Though we don't get the whole speech, it sounds more than just factual/informative. - Cuzzin Todd Feb 18, 07:26 9
        
        it's completely appropriate to quote the bible for academic purposes. we don't have near enough information - loosilu Feb 18, 07:27 8
        
        I have enough info to know I wouldn't want to be sitting in that calss as another student listening to it. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Feb 18, 07:28 7
        
        I didn't want to listen to chemistry lectures 80% of the time. ;P -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:29
        
        I sat through many speeches in speech class that I didn't want to sit through. You deal with it. - ty97 Feb 18, 07:29 5
        
        it's life. there is no right to be protected from opinions you don't like. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:30
        
        or to word differently: what you want to (or want not to) hear shouldn't decide other students' speech topics. -- nm - ty97 Feb 18, 07:30 3
        
        It's likely a required class (speech classes often are) that I *have* to take then I damn well shouldn't have to sit through topics I find offensive. - Cuzzin Todd Feb 18, 07:32 1
        
        wow. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:33
        
        Besides, in a speech class, shouldn't content be irrelevant? Wouldn't it be more about form and presentation? -- nm - znufrii, cliqueless Feb 18, 07:31
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- well, it did say it was a public speaking class -- nm - oblique, better than nubby Feb 18, 07:19 1
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Stupid teacher. The ACLU could easily support the student. -- nm - mara Feb 18, 07:17 9
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  - It's a speech class. -- nm - ty97 Feb 18, 07:23
  - Seriously? Why was he giving a speech in a public speaking class? -- nm - mara Feb 18, 07:21 6
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      - Why would the professor write an evaluation of the speech if it wasn't an assignment? -- nm - mara Feb 18, 07:24 1
        
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    - well, more probably what was the assigned topic, and was the student covering the topic - tRuMaN Feb 18, 07:23 2
      - The article says "informational speech" so many times I have a sneaking suspicion the prof said "give an informational speech". -- nm - Ender Feb 18, 07:26 1
        
        Also, "The suit seeks an injunction against LACC from restricting student speech in the classroom when students are given open-ended assignments..." -- nm - mara Feb 18, 07:27
My thought is, "this is a good reason why we should limit what people can sue for in this country, so the speech never would have been stopped." -- nm - TFox Feb 18, 07:17 4
- I hate the idea, generally, of limiting what can be litigated. Litigation is the civilized replacement for a street brawl. - TWuG Feb 18, 07:23 3
  - I completely disagree - the litigation process is helping to destroy the economy -- nm - Epiphany Feb 18, 07:29
  - Well, its destroying heathcare costs, and most state governments as a direct result. -- nm - TFox Feb 18, 07:25
  - see, the street brawl might actually be more effective, though... - znufrii, cliqueless Feb 18, 07:24
without knowing the exact content of the speech, I think the professor over-reached - znufrii, cliqueless Feb 18, 07:17
free speech. Let the kid do it. -- nm - CQ Feb 18, 07:15
tis a stupid teacher. and tis a problem with america. - tRuMaN Feb 18, 07:14

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