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CT: Then leave the room. You don't have the right to determine the topics of other student's speeches.

Posted by ty97 Feb 18 '09, 07:34

Otherwise, where does it stop? I don't like hearing vegetable. Linda doesn't like hearing about New York City.

It's not your place.

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So I'm the one that needs to leave the class? A class I'm required to take, one I'm paying for? -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Feb 18, 07:46 24
- Yes, because as long as the speech falls within the course guidelines, it's allowed. If someone is offended by, say, a speech about getting out of - Andie Feb 18, 07:50
- Yes, because you are unwilling to hear presentations that might challange your currently held views. - Name Withheld By Request Feb 18, 07:48
- did you go to school to hear only things you liked? curious. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:48 7
  - My least favorite thing about you: the way you jump to this kind of extreme assumption then act so condescending about it. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Feb 18, 07:48 6
    - I don't think it's just her sharing this idea on this one. - Will Hunting Feb 18, 07:50
    - my least favorite thing about you is ... ah, I need a few minutes. But it will have to do with your abrasive way of treating - loosilu Feb 18, 07:50 4
      - I'll admit I do tend to do that sometimes. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Feb 18, 07:54 3
        
        I'll admit I can be condescending, but I don't mean to be. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:55 2
        
        Perhaps we should start some kind of support group. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Feb 18, 07:56 1
        
        That's juvenile and stupid. - loosilu Feb 18, 07:57
- Yes. You're the one who has a problem with the content. -- nm - Ender Feb 18, 07:48 13
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    - Is it zoned properly? -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Feb 18, 07:55
    - You assume that the professor would prevent a student from sitting outside for a 3-minute speech. -- nm - Ender Feb 18, 07:55 8
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        Would you say the same if a student was giving a presentation on Harvey Milk and other students complained about it? -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Feb 18, 07:59 5
        
        I'm not sure this is fair, since as far as I can tell, he hasn't actually weighed in on the merits of this specific case. -- nm - Reagen Feb 18, 08:02 1
        
        and, he actually said he disagrees with the teacher, but that legally it's just not black and white. -- nm - Andie Feb 18, 08:03
        
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        Sorry Jack, I was just trying to put the shoe on the other foot, but over stepped. I do apologize as I wasn't trying to offend, but provoke. - Name Withheld By Request Feb 18, 08:04 1
        
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      - if I were that professor, I'd give them an earful about the importance of listening to new and different ideas. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:56
    - That's the term I was trying recall. - Cuzzin Todd Feb 18, 07:53
    - this could not be less related to academic if you tried. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:51
I refuse to listen to speeches on lemon donuts. -- nm - all the presdients love mandy lane Feb 18, 07:43 2
- i am *deeply* offended by any reference to mayonnaise. -- nm - Andie Feb 18, 07:44 1
  - I'm deeply offended by the existance of mayonnaise. -- nm - Jim Feb 18, 07:46
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- The cases you are citing basically talk about speech in public (outdoor) places - ty97 Feb 18, 07:42 2
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    - you're there voluntarily. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:47
the foundation of academia is the freedom of ideas. If you can't deal, you shouldn't go to college. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:35 17
- agreed. the professor violated the basic ideas of academia by shutting down the student's speech... - Mel Profit Feb 18, 07:36 16
  - Or better yet...before the speech was given, the professor could have added the disclaimer... - Jim Feb 18, 07:43 5
    - Or just required that speech topics be submitted for approval before the speeches are written. -- nm - Ender Feb 18, 07:49 3
      - I agree, but only for purposes of quality, not offensiveness. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:53
      - Actually...that's the best way to handle it. That way the teacher and student can hash it out BEFORE the kid put - Jim Feb 18, 07:50 1
        
        If this teach's actions are actuality; I'd hate this idea more than just getting boned on the day of the presentation - Will Hunting Feb 18, 07:56
    - that should be understood for 100% of the speeches given. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:43
  - This was one of the best things about the Jesuits. They have zero fear of disagreement and debate. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:37 8
    - *twitch* - znufrii, cliqueless Feb 18, 07:44 2
      - spoil me? The only movies I've seen that got the Jesuits completely right, nail on the head, are Blatty's Exorcist movies. - loosilu Feb 18, 07:46 1
        
        mostly timeline issues (spoilers) - znufrii, cliqueless Feb 18, 07:50
    - the 17th century disagrees. :) -- nm - CQ Feb 18, 07:40 4
      - historically they're all about academic freedom and have gotten in trouble many times. - loosilu Feb 18, 07:41 3
        
        but did you know they were behind to assassination of JFK? -- (link) - znufrii, cliqueless Feb 18, 07:45 1
        
        that might be the only time the Vatican convinced them to do anything. -- nm - loosilu Feb 18, 07:46
        
        heh -- nm - CQ Feb 18, 07:43
  - Yeah, i'm in awe of how this guy can teach a course and not be in a position to debate more than Fascist bastard. -- nm - Will Hunting Feb 18, 07:37

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