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In response to "leave the painting up." by znufrii, scoreless

and, imho

Posted by znufrii, scoreless (aka znufrii) Feb 19 '09, 07:21

any religious belief that fails to err on the side of compassion for the suffering is not worth the trouble.

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disagree completely. take the religious angle out. what if it was a photo of dismembered bodies? -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:23 24
- JD mentionned it wasn't something universally offensive, just to people from this specific religion -- nm - Guigue Feb 19, 07:25 5
  - i'm very anti-religion, but even i think if someone is genuinely offended by something, they have a right to those feelings. -- nm - Andie Feb 19, 07:28 1
    - I'm ceertainly not saying it's an easy choice and that I don't care at all for the offended person. The question asks for a difficult choice and I - Guigue Feb 19, 07:30
  - I think the reason for being offended is irrelevant. it's about getting along. -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:26 2
    - But in the situation given, it's impossible. Either someone start suffering pain, or the other is offended - Guigue Feb 19, 07:28 1
      - His comfort is mental :) -- nm - oblique Feb 19, 07:29
- that wasn't the question. -- nm - znufrii, scoreless Feb 19, 07:24 17
  - yes it is. You're saying screw the offended person, and I think your anti-religous bias is the basis for your choice. -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:25 16
    - rather than what znu originally posted - that the guy will be dead soon, so give him solace while he's still around? -- nm - Roger More Feb 19, 07:28 15
      - both have a right to solace. -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:29 14
        
        I agree - but Dawson isn't saying 'respect the feelings of both', he's saying 'decide who you support in this case' - Roger More Feb 19, 07:31 13
        
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        There seems to be an assumption by a lot in this thread that the religious patient isn't suffering. -- nm - Inigo Feb 19, 07:38 6
        
        But is he physically suffering because of the painting? - Guigue Feb 19, 07:40
        
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        then the movie is biased toward the nonreligious guy. -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:40
        
        the question says nothing about that - it doesn't even mention that the religious patient complains - just his family -- nm - Roger More Feb 19, 07:39 2
        
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        oh sure - but for me, with a gun-to-my-head-pick-one choice, I'll always pick the patient over the visiting family -- nm - Roger More Feb 19, 07:43
        
        I move the person who has less pain. -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:36
        
        I support compromise. the premise (all or nothing) is false. -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:31 3
        
        Then we're not discussing the same thing - Guigue Feb 19, 07:34 1
        
        the person who asked the question doesn't speak to me. :) -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:37
        
        I support compromise too, but I am happy to play along with the hypothetical -- nm - Roger More Feb 19, 07:34
but, it's causing legitimate suffering for someone else. -- nm - Andie Feb 19, 07:23 26
- I disagree - znufrii, scoreless Feb 19, 07:24 25
  - What if their religion cares not for the compassion of others? -- nm - oblique, better than nubby Feb 19, 07:26 8
    - then I don't think their religion is much worth following. -- nm - znufrii, scoreless Feb 19, 07:27 7
      - which is not the question. it's like saying "come on, one bite of steak won't harm you" to a vegetarian -- nm - marcel Feb 19, 07:28
      - That's not really the point though, is it? So their view, being religious, matters less than the other man's -- nm - oblique Feb 19, 07:28 3
        
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        well, I haven't made a statement on the original question yet. I vote for thunderdome style resolution -- nm - oblique Feb 19, 07:31 1
        
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      - who gave you the right to decide? -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:28 1
        
        my inherent moral supremacy, obvie. -- nm - znufrii, scoreless Feb 19, 07:29
  - and you are being narrow minded by not being able to understand how an image could be upsetting. - Andie Feb 19, 07:26 15
    - again, that's not the question. -- nm - znufrii, scoreless Feb 19, 07:27 14
      - so, if it's offensive for ANY OTHER REASON you can see both sides, but if it's offensive for a religious reason you don't care. -- nm - Andie Feb 19, 07:29 11
        
        I think the decision is more clear cut, at least. -- nm - znufrii, scoreless Feb 19, 07:31 10
        
        why should anyone respect *your* beliefs, then? -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:32 9
        
        they're not required to, by any means. -- nm - znufrii, scoreless Feb 19, 07:32 8
        
        then in your world, people can't get along. -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:33 7
        
        when did I ever say anything like that? -- nm - znufrii, scoreless Feb 19, 07:35 6
        
        you think it's ok to not respect each other's beliefs. -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:36 5
        
        only in the forced choice of a greater compassion. -- nm - znufrii, scoreless Feb 19, 07:37 4
        
        compassion should be blind to beliefs. -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:38 3
        
        except when those beliefs dictate the compassion for one individual negating compassion for another. -- nm - znufrii, scoreless Feb 19, 07:40 2
        
        that's true whether the painting stays or goes. -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:41 1
        
        And I simply expressed my opinion, as requested by the original question, as to where the greater compassion lies. -- nm - znufrii, scoreless Feb 19, 07:43
      - sounds like you'er the one lacking c ompassion. -- nm - loosilu Feb 19, 07:28 1
        
        I ahve more compassion for the suffering that one doesn't have control over than the suffering one creates for themselves through their own beliefs -- nm - znufrii, scoreless Feb 19, 07:30

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