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In response to "NSA broke privacy rules thousands of times per year, audit finds -- (link)" by spamlet

Edward Snowden truly is a hero. And, for what little its worth, should be certain to be Time Person of the Year, I think. -- nm

Posted by Don Homer (aka DonHomer) Aug 15 '13, 19:10

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L3. -- nm - Strongbad Aug 16, 04:05
He's no hero. He's just a guy who didn't realize the consequences of the contract he signed up for. - Inigo Aug 15, 20:49 5
- Um, I think it's come out that he had intent before signing ... But I could be wrong. -- nm - Beryllium Aug 15, 20:58 4
  - I'm not sure that changes anything. I'm not even sure it matters whether Snowden is a hero or not. - Roger More Aug 15, 21:16
  - Then it's even more of a dickish move. -- nm - Inigo Aug 15, 21:10 1
    - Dicks can be heroes, too. -- nm - Dr WolverBatMcLaneHulkManhattanSchach si Aug 15, 21:15
  - That's something that I read today too, I think it was in a Vanity Fair article. -- nm - Stephen Aug 15, 21:02
A hero doesn't run and hide from the consequences of his actions... -- nm - Stephen Aug 15, 19:38 24
- disagree. -- nm - znufrii Aug 15, 20:25 7
  - Can I put some words in your mouth? :) "A hero does everything in his power to make sure meaningful change is effected." -- nm - Beryllium Aug 15, 20:26 6
    - funnily enough, I had actually typed up a longer response precisely along those lines. - znufrii Aug 15, 20:28 5
      - I'm not sure about this. Gandhi, for instance, did this - and he was successful in bringing about change -- nm - Roger More Aug 15, 20:32 4
        
        (And I can also think of a lot of non-heroic people who don't think they should be accountable to systems they dislike) -- nm - Roger More Aug 15, 20:39 3
        
        Plenty of people we would classify as non-heroic or even evil, think of themselves as heroes or martyrs ... so your point is very true. -- nm - Beryllium Aug 15, 20:43
        
        well then, you can see why I truncated my initial response. :) -- nm - znufrii Aug 15, 20:41
        
        Personally, I think it would've been great if he could have stayed hidden and tried to get the NSA to show their hand in finding him ... :) -- nm - Beryllium Aug 15, 20:40
- I'm still thinking my way through this, but you may want to check out this column in the WaPo by Daniel Ellsberg - Roger More Aug 15, 20:07
- That makes no sense to me. I don't know how I feel about him and what he did, but the people he exposed are the ones making the rules. - Guigue Aug 15, 19:56
- Hero != Martyr -- nm - Beryllium Aug 15, 19:44
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  - Nope, I've never, ever, read a single comic book in my entire whole life. -- nm - Stephen Aug 15, 19:45 11
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      - Of false equivalences you clearly know much! -- nm - Stephen Aug 15, 20:17
    - *especially* not captain america -- nm - Beryllium Aug 15, 19:46 8
      - *Especially* not the issue where he turned himself into the authorities for his part in leading the anti-registration heroes... - Stephen Aug 15, 19:50 7
        
        (After resisting so long that he got friends killed) -- nm - David Aug 15, 20:18 3
        
        The death of Goliath was blood on Iron Man and the governments' hands -- nm - Stephen Aug 15, 21:04 2
        
        If everyone agrees to register, he lives. So it is on Cappy and the others. - David Aug 15, 21:09 1
        
        But he chose not to register for himself so you can't really say that. -- nm - Stephen Aug 15, 21:26
        
        Because he's a martyr. That's his character. - Beryllium Aug 15, 20:02 2
        
        (And to be clear, I don't mean that as an insult, just a comment on the depths of his character and his feeling of personal responsibility and duty) -- nm - Beryllium Aug 15, 20:05 1
        
        (and also, *I* don't read comics ... I'm judging by the movies alone) -- nm - Beryllium Aug 15, 20:25
so who gets the Nobel, Snowden or Bradley Manning? -- nm - zeitgeist Aug 15, 19:26 1
- Bashar al-Assad -- nm - Beryllium Aug 15, 19:45
Ironic that he's hiding out in a country known for it's wonderful human rights record. -- nm - Bacon Aug 15, 19:26 1
- No one complains about human rights in Russia ... - Beryllium Aug 15, 19:46

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