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From twitter: Syria agrees to Russian initiative. Did Obama just win without firing a shot? -- nm

Posted by MDH (aka MDH) Sep 10 '13, 08:45

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Define "win" -- nm - Strongbad Sep 10, 09:17
He won in that, if this works, Assad won't be able to gas his own people... - Mel Profit Sep 10, 09:09 2
- I have such mixed feelings on this whole thing (including how it was handled). We can beat up Obama for his handling of this all day, but the truth - pmb Sep 10, 09:33
- Arm The Moderate Rebels should open for RATM -- nm - Beryllium Sep 10, 09:12
I doubt it. Ultimately, we want regime change in Syria. -- nm - Mop (200 lbs) Sep 10, 08:57
More like he got saved by the guys who wanted to watch us fail. - Will Hunting Sep 10, 08:49 32
- they jumped at this awfully quickly. to me that says they were legitimately afraid of an attack -- nm - Reagen Sep 10, 08:52 31
  - agreed. which I can't figure out. - Mel Profit Sep 10, 09:12 17
    - He looks like he's reasonable in giving up the weapons, he emasculates the US and gives these weapons to Russia, and doesn't get any bombs rained on - Will Hunting Sep 10, 09:17 16
      - I think it's a mixed bag for the US. Less likely to be entangled in another Middle Eastern war + I don't know that they are interested in assisting - Roger More Sep 10, 09:22 11
        
        Your second point is what I thought as well. I thought the rebels are pieces of shit too...and that we really didn't want to help them as much as we - Jim Sep 10, 09:27 10
        
        Also..it seems like Obama was fucked no matter what he did on this. - Jim Sep 10, 09:32 5
        
        I agree, but also Obama is partly responsible for that no-win situation. - Roger More Sep 10, 09:38
        
        Agree completely. We can blame him for waffling, but every option was a bad one. There is no option without consequences, many of which are - pmb Sep 10, 09:36
        
        word on that IM. -- nm - Diva Sep 10, 09:34
        
        also, act, and Bachmann et al. take a trip to Syria and have a press conference accusing Obama of supporting Islamists. -- nm - znufrii Sep 10, 09:33
        
        Proper fucked, yeah. -- nm - Beryllium Sep 10, 09:33
        
        That's fair and reasonable, but at this point, we pretty much abandoned them. - Will Hunting Sep 10, 09:30 2
        
        Again, your problem is with Russia looking better than the US, but they were always in a position to make this move. - con_carne Sep 10, 09:38 1
        
        I have a problem becuase there's a finite amount of power in the world. We gave some up via bad strategy. -- nm - Will Hunting Sep 10, 09:47
        
        I wouldn't go that far, but I've read stuff suggesting that a year or two of war + lack of support from America have helped radicalise them. -- nm - Roger More Sep 10, 09:29
      - The US got what we wanted, and since we don't actually have diplomatic ties to Assad, we got someone else to do the heavy lifting for us -- nm - con_carne Sep 10, 09:21 1
        
        We didn't 'get' someone else, we were lucky that someone else stepped in after snubbing us at the UN. - Dr.Vermin Sep 10, 09:26
      - I don't understand, what part of this is something that wasn't in our already stated goals? -- nm - con_carne Sep 10, 09:19 1
        
        Giving Russia more power/leverage -- not punishing the murderous psycho for using WMD's --- giving hope to any rogue nation - Will Hunting Sep 10, 09:22
  - Right. -- nm - David Sep 10, 09:08
  - They should have been deathly afraid of one becuase they merited one. - Will Hunting Sep 10, 08:57 8
    - Sure seemed bungled, But, I think that request for Congressional approval touched off an important debate we needed to have - con_carne Sep 10, 09:12 7
      - The problem is sometimes, someone needs bombed. - Will Hunting Sep 10, 09:21 6
        
        Again, my problem is with the notion that it has to be up to the US every time this question comes up - con_carne Sep 10, 09:30 2
        
        America is for better and worse, the shining light in this world. - Will Hunting Sep 10, 09:35
        
        No one else has the resources + global reach to do this every time + it probably can't happen without US support + that's the price of saying - Roger More Sep 10, 09:34
        
        The Ryan Doctrine from Tom Clancy is what you're saying I believe (and I agree 110%) -- nm - Beaker Sep 10, 09:22 2
        
        Ryan/Clark 2016 -- nm - Dr.Vermin Sep 10, 09:26 1
        
        "The Vice President says that the Guatemalan situation has been ... contained." -- nm - Beryllium Sep 10, 09:32
  - We weren't even close to attacking. I'd suspect they were a lot more afraid of ticking Russia off. -- nm - Ender Sep 10, 08:54 2
    - Once the Russians proposed that Assad give up the chemical weapons, I assume they knew they had to. - Mel Profit Sep 10, 09:13
    - It's my understanding that a strike was ready to go when Obama pulled them back and opted to go for Congressional approval, instead. -- nm - Mop (200 lbs) Sep 10, 09:12
The only winning move is not to play -- nm - oblique Sep 10, 08:46
Luckily our Secretary of State ran his mouth at a press conference! -- nm - spamlet Sep 10, 08:45 9
- Ents do like to talk. -- nm - Qale Sep 10, 09:03
- yeah, lucky for that... -- nm - znufrii Sep 10, 08:53 7
  - You're not suggesting it was planned, are you? - spamlet Sep 10, 09:01 6
    - you're suggesting it wasn't? - znufrii Sep 10, 09:05 5
      - Considering every single news source disagrees with you, I'll go with them. -- nm - spamlet Sep 10, 09:06 4
        
        news outlets report what administration sources tell them. - znufrii Sep 10, 09:09 3
        
        News has no incentive to think otherwise of politicians? When did we return to pre-Watergate times? -- nm - Will Hunting Sep 10, 09:11 2
        
        There aren't reporters like there were at Watergate anymore. News gathering just doesn't work that way, because it's expensive to pay people... - Kim Pine Sep 10, 09:17
        
        this isn't about politics, really. they're entirely dependent on adminitration sources for this type of reporting. - znufrii Sep 10, 09:17

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