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In response to "More like he got saved by the guys who wanted to watch us fail." by Will Hunting

they jumped at this awfully quickly. to me that says they were legitimately afraid of an attack -- nm

Posted by Reagen Sep 10 '13, 08:52

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agreed. which I can't figure out. - Mel Profit Sep 10, 09:12 17
- He looks like he's reasonable in giving up the weapons, he emasculates the US and gives these weapons to Russia, and doesn't get any bombs rained on - Will Hunting Sep 10, 09:17 16
  - I think it's a mixed bag for the US. Less likely to be entangled in another Middle Eastern war + I don't know that they are interested in assisting - Roger More Sep 10, 09:22 11
    - Your second point is what I thought as well. I thought the rebels are pieces of shit too...and that we really didn't want to help them as much as we - Jim Sep 10, 09:27 10
      - Also..it seems like Obama was fucked no matter what he did on this. - Jim Sep 10, 09:32 5
        
        I agree, but also Obama is partly responsible for that no-win situation. - Roger More Sep 10, 09:38
        
        Agree completely. We can blame him for waffling, but every option was a bad one. There is no option without consequences, many of which are - pmb Sep 10, 09:36
        
        word on that IM. -- nm - Diva Sep 10, 09:34
        
        also, act, and Bachmann et al. take a trip to Syria and have a press conference accusing Obama of supporting Islamists. -- nm - znufrii Sep 10, 09:33
        
        Proper fucked, yeah. -- nm - Beryllium Sep 10, 09:33
      - That's fair and reasonable, but at this point, we pretty much abandoned them. - Will Hunting Sep 10, 09:30 2
        
        Again, your problem is with Russia looking better than the US, but they were always in a position to make this move. - con_carne Sep 10, 09:38 1
        
        I have a problem becuase there's a finite amount of power in the world. We gave some up via bad strategy. -- nm - Will Hunting Sep 10, 09:47
      - I wouldn't go that far, but I've read stuff suggesting that a year or two of war + lack of support from America have helped radicalise them. -- nm - Roger More Sep 10, 09:29
  - The US got what we wanted, and since we don't actually have diplomatic ties to Assad, we got someone else to do the heavy lifting for us -- nm - con_carne Sep 10, 09:21 1
    - We didn't 'get' someone else, we were lucky that someone else stepped in after snubbing us at the UN. - Dr.Vermin Sep 10, 09:26
  - I don't understand, what part of this is something that wasn't in our already stated goals? -- nm - con_carne Sep 10, 09:19 1
    - Giving Russia more power/leverage -- not punishing the murderous psycho for using WMD's --- giving hope to any rogue nation - Will Hunting Sep 10, 09:22
Right. -- nm - David Sep 10, 09:08
They should have been deathly afraid of one becuase they merited one. - Will Hunting Sep 10, 08:57 8
- Sure seemed bungled, But, I think that request for Congressional approval touched off an important debate we needed to have - con_carne Sep 10, 09:12 7
  - The problem is sometimes, someone needs bombed. - Will Hunting Sep 10, 09:21 6
    - Again, my problem is with the notion that it has to be up to the US every time this question comes up - con_carne Sep 10, 09:30 2
      - America is for better and worse, the shining light in this world. - Will Hunting Sep 10, 09:35
      - No one else has the resources + global reach to do this every time + it probably can't happen without US support + that's the price of saying - Roger More Sep 10, 09:34
    - The Ryan Doctrine from Tom Clancy is what you're saying I believe (and I agree 110%) -- nm - Beaker Sep 10, 09:22 2
      - Ryan/Clark 2016 -- nm - Dr.Vermin Sep 10, 09:26 1
        
        "The Vice President says that the Guatemalan situation has been ... contained." -- nm - Beryllium Sep 10, 09:32
We weren't even close to attacking. I'd suspect they were a lot more afraid of ticking Russia off. -- nm - Ender Sep 10, 08:54 2
- Once the Russians proposed that Assad give up the chemical weapons, I assume they knew they had to. - Mel Profit Sep 10, 09:13
- It's my understanding that a strike was ready to go when Obama pulled them back and opted to go for Congressional approval, instead. -- nm - Mop (200 lbs) Sep 10, 09:12

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