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In response to "Washington post says 7 dead. There's a map of the site. -- (link)" by loosilu

Seriously... the level of this kind of regularly-occuring violence doesn't happen in other first-world countries, does it? -- nm

Posted by Mr. Havens (aka EdwardHavens) Sep 16 '13, 10:02

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most other first-world countries have gun laws more stringent than are ours. -- nm - amanda hk Sep 16, 10:08 50
- and perhaps better mental health options? - oblique Sep 16, 10:12 49
  - i don't know why people don't want to believe it is *just the f-ing guns!* -- nm - Andie Sep 16, 10:16 48
    - because its not -- nm - Epiphany Sep 16, 10:45 16
      - if it were not guns, it would be something else. - groiny Sep 16, 10:47 14
        
        shit, drive cars into crowds of people. Americans do not lack creativity -- nm - Epiphany Sep 16, 10:53
        
        then why aren't there regularly happening mass killings using those methods both outside the US and in the US? -- nm - zork Sep 16, 10:53 11
        
        it is something about the US culture. nm -- nm - groiny Sep 16, 10:54 10
        
        ...like a fetishistic gun subculture. -- nm - Mel Profit Sep 16, 10:56 3
        
        if you have a kid with a fascination for lighting fires you'd take away any matches or lighters from them -- nm - zork Sep 16, 10:58
        
        I think this is a true statement -- nm - Epiphany Sep 16, 10:57
        
        partly, maybe. nm -- nm - groiny Sep 16, 10:57
        
        .... -- nm - Andie Sep 16, 10:55 5
        
        not relating to access to guns. - groiny Sep 16, 10:56 4
        
        people get stabbed everywhere. 7 people don' -- nm - Andie Sep 16, 10:56 3
        
        ..don't die in minutes from a guy with a knife. -- nm - Andie Sep 16, 10:56 2
        
        (Didn't that happen once in Japan?) -- nm - Beryllium Sep 16, 10:58 1
        
        yes. once. with children. horrible. - Andie Sep 16, 10:59
        
        none of which are nearly as easy to get as guns are. -- nm - znufrii Sep 16, 10:48
      - What is it, then? -- nm - Roger More Sep 16, 10:46
    - this is where the real meaning of American Exceptionalism comes into play - Reagen Sep 16, 10:27 6
      - "American is much bigger" etc -- nm - loosilu Sep 16, 10:29 5
        
        [checks waistline] Hey, shut up. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Sep 16, 10:51
        
        but it isn -- nm - Andie Sep 16, 10:29 3
        
        oh, I know. just one of the explanations that gets rehashed. -- nm - loosilu Sep 16, 10:30
        
        but it isn -- nm - Andie Sep 16, 10:29 1
        
        (sorry) but it isn't bigger (geographically, or population wise) than everywhere else. -- nm - Andie Sep 16, 10:30
    - Access to guns certainly allows people with the disposition to use them but first you have to want to use them - oblique Sep 16, 10:18 19
      - sure, but crazy people without a gun aren't shooting and killing multiple people. -- nm - Andie Sep 16, 10:19 18
        
        Which is why attention should be paid to both sides of the equation - oblique Sep 16, 10:21 17
        
        taking away the crazy person's guns is an important step, though. -- nm - loosilu Sep 16, 10:27 15
        
        they still have access to pressure cookers. nm -- nm - groiny Sep 16, 10:44 14
        
        *compares the number of people killed by an exploding pressure cooker, with the number killed by guns* - znufrii Sep 16, 10:46 13
        
        sure, because guns are easier to get than building a pressure cooker bomb - groiny Sep 16, 10:48 12
        
        I'm not sure how you think that proves a point... -- nm - znufrii Sep 16, 10:51 7
        
        if a crazy person wants to do bad shit, you think limiting his access to a gun is going to stop him? -- nm - groiny Sep 16, 10:53 6
        
        it's a completely different thing to go up to a person and stab them until they are dead and then go on to stab more people. -- nm - zork Sep 16, 10:56 2
        
        I think you and I should not discuss this topic at all. - groiny Sep 16, 10:58 1
        
        I admittedly screwed up -- nm - zork Sep 16, 11:00
        
        in some, if not many cases, definitely. - znufrii Sep 16, 10:55
        
        no. but it limits what he can do easily and quickly. -- nm - Andie Sep 16, 10:53 1
        
        I think very few one these incidents "happen quickly". nm -- nm - groiny Sep 16, 10:55
        
        Your basic argument is "Americans are crazier than other people" -- nm - Roger More Sep 16, 10:49 3
        
        I am not sure where the blame lies, but we are sure more inclined to do shit than most. -- nm - groiny Sep 16, 10:51 2
        
        i don't know if that's true. i don't think Americans are crazier than anyone else, i just think you make it easier to harm others. -- nm - Andie Sep 16, 10:52 1
        
        ^^^ and this is a Canadian saying this. -- nm - Roger More Sep 16, 10:54
        
        No one's saying that mental health issues don't need attention. But it's ease of access to guns that differentiates the US from the rest. -- nm - Roger More Sep 16, 10:25
    - *clings to his guns and religion* -- nm - znufrii Sep 16, 10:16 1
      - I want to put this on a t-shirt -- nm - Epiphany Sep 16, 10:47
    - stay off twitter, because, wow. the gun rights people are out there right now. -- nm - loosilu Sep 16, 10:16 1
      - David Frum's rules for covering mass shootings (basically: don't hurt gun owner's feelings)... -- (link) - Don Homer Sep 16, 10:21
Article from 2007 - 15 of the 25 worst mass shootings in the last 50 years took place in the United States. Finland is in second place with 2, -- nm - Andie Sep 16, 10:08 2
- U-S-A!! -- nm - Don Homer Sep 16, 10:11
- Mother Jones article- updated today: -- (link) - Andie Sep 16, 10:09

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