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In response to "Ender's Game isn't entirely wrong." by Mel Profit

I still don't think I buy that. I just don't find any causation. It's not surprising that someone who commits violent acts is drawn to violent games

Posted by pmb (aka pmb) Sep 17 '13, 07:26

or movies, etc. I just don't see the causation. The overwhelming majority of people who play the games don't commit those acts.

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It's not that the overwhelming majority are being turned into trigger pulling killers... - Mel Profit Sep 17, 07:31 26
- Aren't those games available in Canada and Europe? They don't cause mass shootings there. - loosilu Sep 17, 07:38 1
  - *ding* -- nm - Beaker Sep 17, 07:38
- I don't think it's actually happening more, as much as the scale is somewhat larger. If I was going to blame anything for that fact I would blame the - pmb Sep 17, 07:34 23
  - and this particular guy had signs of being mentally unstable from the get go. - groiny Sep 17, 07:37 2
    - apparently he was treated at some point. Someone needed to TAKE HIS GUNS. -- nm - loosilu Sep 17, 07:41 1
      - Why do you hate law-abiding gun owners, loosi? -- nm - znufrii Sep 17, 07:47
  - ultimately I think the best solution is Gun Control but... -- nm - Mel Profit Sep 17, 07:36 19
    - people have had guns for decades, why is it all of a sudden now that this is happening more? - groiny Sep 17, 07:39 18
      - Part of the cultural issue is the love of guns. I do think the media's fascination with this breeds more of it, but gun control would help. - pmb Sep 17, 07:49 4
        
        I think there is a whole lot of things at play with the cultural issues..... - groiny Sep 17, 07:52 3
        
        I agree there's a lot, which is why focusing on the tools used first makes so much sense. - pmb Sep 17, 07:59 1
        
        I agree with you, I am fine with taking the AR-15 and similar guns out of the equation. nm -- nm - groiny Sep 17, 08:03
        
        I can agree with a lot of what you say here. There's no one cause. -- nm - Mel Profit Sep 17, 07:53
      - When did semi-automatics become available to the public? -- nm - Roger More Sep 17, 07:41 1
        
        they weren't even invented until the 20th century. -- nm - loosilu Sep 17, 07:43
      - it's not 'happening more'. homicides, gun violence, and even mass shootings are on a long decline trend. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Sep 17, 07:41 3
        
        I'd be interested to see the stats on this. -- nm - znufrii Sep 17, 07:45 1
        
        Homicide's pretty easy to find data on. And the decline in crime over the 1990s has been talked about a lot in recent years. - Roger More Sep 17, 07:54
        
        I don't know about that last part. -- nm - Roger More Sep 17, 07:44
      - if you think the gun laws haven't been weakened in the last 30 years there's no point in talking about it. - Mel Profit Sep 17, 07:41 6
        
        sure, they have been, but IIRC this guy did this with a handgun. - groiny Sep 17, 07:45 5
        
        he had three guns, one of them an AR-15. -- nm - loosilu Sep 17, 07:47 4
        
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        thanks. still tons of misinformation out there. -- nm - loosilu Sep 17, 07:54
        
        While I would like to own an AR-15, I would be ok if they removed those from circulation. nm -- nm - groiny Sep 17, 07:49 1
        
        we can agree on that. -- nm - loosilu Sep 17, 07:50
But that's exactly the same argument that gun advocates use to protect gun rights. -- nm - Roger More Sep 17, 07:28 2
- But that is completely apples and oranges. The video games don't enable the violence to take place. The gun is the means of the violence. People - pmb Sep 17, 07:32 1
  - I agree, but I thought I should make the comparison. -- nm - Roger More Sep 17, 07:39

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I still don't think I buy that. I just don't find any causation. It's not surprising that someone who commits violent acts is drawn to violent games

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