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In response to "who gets to decide? the untrained civilians with concealed carry permits? -- nm" by loosilu

if they have concealed carry permits, they are not untrained. nm -- nm

Posted by groiny (aka groiny) Sep 17 '13, 07:49

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Training doesn't mean knowing how to pull the trigger. Cops and soldiers have to train constantly. -- nm - loosilu Sep 17, 07:50 31
- cops and soldiers kill innocents all the time, by accident. nm -- nm - groiny Sep 17, 07:54 30
  - That is not helping your point -- nm - amoxy Sep 17, 07:58 9
    - sure it is. - groiny Sep 17, 08:00 8
      - though you most likely increase your chance of being shot if someone attempts to shoot back. -- nm - Truman Sep 17, 08:02
      - odds are, you now have 2 people firing indiscrimiantely in a crowded room and the victims are now - Will Hunting Sep 17, 08:02 3
        
        again, what chance do I have if it is just one guy with the gun, killing everyone? -- nm - groiny Sep 17, 08:04 2
        
        How would your chances be if we had some gun control. No automatic weapons or limited clip sizes so you had time to get out while he reloads? - pmb Sep 17, 08:08
        
        You have a chance to get to one of the multiple exits in the room. - Will Hunting Sep 17, 08:06
      - you can't eliminate the possiblity. You can IMPROVE it dramatically with training. Lack of training, on the other hand, virtually guarantees - loosilu Sep 17, 08:01 2
        
        it does no such thing. nm -- nm - groiny Sep 17, 08:01 1
        
        I don't see how you can make that argument. You honestly think that untrained (or massively less trained and experienced people) will do as well as - pmb Sep 17, 08:05
  - and they are trained. -- nm - loosilu Sep 17, 07:56
  - probably not helping the point you wanna make unless its conceal carry is a bad idea. - Will Hunting Sep 17, 07:55 12
    - Exactly. Like the theater shooting. How many more people would have been killed by a concerned citizen trying to take out the bad guy? -- nm - Jim Sep 17, 07:57 11
      - Just the other day in New York cops shot 2 innocent bystanders going after a guy they thought was pulling a gun (he wasn't). The guy they were - pmb Sep 17, 08:01 3
        
        Why not? Everyone is saying that conceal carry will help stop perpetrators. You think they'll show better judgment than trained officers? -- nm - pmb Sep 17, 08:06 1
        
        Sorry this should go under Groiny's post. -- nm - pmb Sep 17, 08:07
        
        I assume they would not be going after the guy? -- nm - groiny Sep 17, 08:02
      - My idiot buddies were going on how it woulda been different - Will Hunting Sep 17, 08:00
      - There are some videos out there of "concerned citizens" pulling otu a gun to stop a bad guy. it's terrifying. - loosilu Sep 17, 07:58 3
        
        I would have assumed the media would have been all over these types of stories -- nm - Beaker Sep 17, 07:59 2
        
        I saw one where an old guy stopped a robbery and he was shooting kind of wild. nm -- nm - groiny Sep 17, 08:00
        
        check the youtubes -- nm - loosilu Sep 17, 08:00
      - which is kind of where I was headed with the depends on the situation. - groiny Sep 17, 07:58
      - alternativelt, maybe the citizen takes him out before he gets started - Beaker Sep 17, 07:58
  - that...doesn't support your point. -- nm - znufrii Sep 17, 07:55 5
    - it kinda does, training does not equal 100% certainty. nm -- nm - groiny Sep 17, 07:56 4
      - I don't think anyone's making the argument that it does. - znufrii Sep 17, 08:00 2
        
        but you cannot automatically assume that all concealed carry people are morons either. nm -- nm - groiny Sep 17, 08:01 1
        
        which is why I'm not the one making that argument. -- nm - znufrii Sep 17, 08:02
      - where does that % with less training? -- nm - loosilu Sep 17, 07:57

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