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In response to "NBC: Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that ..... “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. -- (link)" by ty97

And this from Slate shows how the admin is trying to push it on the insurance companies but I'm not really buying in.

Posted by ty97 Oct 29 '13, 10:22

If Obama had said "If you liked your insurance at the time Obamacare passed and neither you nor your insurance provider have changed your insurance plan since that time, THEN you can keep your insurance" I think that would be accurate.

He did not say that.

link (www.slate.com)

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The question being levelled was "will the *government* force me to change insurance" and the answer was "no. if you like your policy you can keep - TWuG Oct 29, 10:30 24
- The government regulated half the private policies out of existence. - Dr.Vermin Oct 29, 10:37 9
  - And, again, the insurers could make that clear by offering increased benefits with the increased rates. They've chosen to cut instead. The goal of - TWuG Oct 29, 10:42 8
    - That's not "keeping your insurance." - The Devil and Daniel Vermin Oct 29, 10:48
    - You're making the assumption that all of the cases are where they had barebones insurance. - spamlet Oct 29, 10:45
    - Which circles back to Obama saying this wouldn't happen. It did. - Inigo Oct 29, 10:44 5
      - He said you could keep your policy because the government wouldn't take it away. The government hasn't forced any insurers to cancel any policies. - TWuG Oct 29, 10:47 4
        
        Dude, I'm an Obamacare supporter, I think that's clear. There's nothing to spin here though. What Obama said, repeatedly, is wrong. -- nm - ty97 Oct 29, 10:59 1
        
        I am as well. -- nm - Inigo Oct 29, 11:01
        
        Yes they did. Read Ty's link. Millions of "their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law" -- nm - The Devil and Daniel Vermin Oct 29, 10:51
        
        He didn't put that qualifier on it. You are. He spoke in absolutes, as Will said. - Inigo Oct 29, 10:51
- More: The insurance providers had a choice. They could comply with the ACA by offering the coverage the law requires - TWuG Oct 29, 10:36
- No. This was Obama doing many speeches saying "If you like your insurance, you can keep it. If you like your doctor, you can keep it. Period." - Inigo Oct 29, 10:34 12
  - It was him answering the question being asked, whether it was directly from a reporter or not. And the answer is exactly correct. - TWuG Oct 29, 10:38 9
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    - Again, no. It was in his words, a promise. One he either lied about, or didn't realize he couldn't make happen. -- nm - Inigo Oct 29, 10:40 7
      - or, he just went with the simplest answer that was truest for most people. -- nm - znufrii Oct 29, 10:45 6
        
        He spoke in in absolutes. He's either inept or lying. -- nm - Will Hunting Oct 29, 10:46 4
        
        or he's a politician. - znufrii Oct 29, 10:51 3
        
        So both? Defend all day long...they had an inkling half the people wouldn't qualify to keep the policy - Will Hunting Oct 29, 10:58
        
        This was 2009, not the campain trail. Unless you mean the Obamacare campaign trail. -- nm - Inigo Oct 29, 10:53 1
        
        that's what I mean, yes. -- nm - znufrii Oct 29, 10:55
        
        unlike opponents of his plan who decided to just make sh!t up. -- nm - znufrii Oct 29, 10:45
  - Yeah, I agree that the message/result are problematic. - Kim Pine Oct 29, 10:37
  - and since when does nuance ever play well on the campaign trail? -- nm - znufrii Oct 29, 10:36

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