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Spying is like farting - everyone does but you're supposed to be discreet about it and apologize when you're caught. -- nm

Posted by Reagen Oct 30 '13, 10:54

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So the WSJ "Actually those recordings came from your own agencies" story is an example of "he who smelt it, dealt it." -- nm - Dr.Vermin Oct 30, 11:11
I guess we'll never know what we gained from spying on our allies, but I can't imagine it's significant. -- nm - Inigo Oct 30, 11:00 23
- 1) You spy on your allies to know when they're not your allies. 2) The cost of what you miss if you don't spy exceeds what you gain when you do. - Max Oct 30, 11:11 21
  - I think America already has a good idea of which allies are its allies and which are not -- nm - Roger More Oct 30, 11:17 11
    - *boom* - Pearl Harbor Oct 30, 11:25 9
      - Japan wasn't an ally, it was a strategic threat - like Russia and China are today. -- nm - Roger More Oct 30, 11:29 1
        
        and Germany, France, Italy and Spain are too it looks like - DaneDukeNuuk Oct 30, 11:31
      - Japan was one of the closest allies of the US in june 1941? -- nm - DaneDukeNuuk Oct 30, 11:26 6
        
        No, but weren't we friendly before we weren't? The key point is you don't wait to find out that your friends have betrayed you. -- nm - Max Oct 30, 11:35 5
        
        And more seriously, not really. In the 1860s, the US sent warships to Japan to force them to open trade. - Roger More Oct 30, 11:46
        
        "I'll take Jap anus relations for $400, Trebek!" -- nm - Sean Connery si Oct 30, 11:39
        
        so an surprise attack from Canada or Belgium is likely yes? - DaneDukeNuuk Oct 30, 11:38 2
        
        Yes, exactly, an attack from Canada is likely. And when people betray you they always put it on the agenda for discussion. -- nm - Max Oct 30, 11:44 1
        
        NATO is an integrated millitary allience and you need spies to prevent from attack fro member nations there? - DaneDukeNuuk Oct 30, 11:50
    - aparently the US has no allies at all everyone is spyed on -- nm - DaneDukeNuuk Oct 30, 11:21
  - The game is going to happen whether you actively participate or not. I'd rather we were the best at it instead of a bystander. - TWuG Oct 30, 11:16 4
    - you think so based on what? - DaneDukeNuuk Oct 30, 11:20 3
      - What difference does it make how it's organized? Or the number of people involved? - TWuG Oct 30, 11:30 2
        
        ohh yes the large part of he internet is based of technoly from France i know - DaneDukeNuuk Oct 30, 11:36 1
        
        We're better at it and I'm thankful we are. -- nm - TWuG Oct 30, 11:46
  - the US has agreements with allies about what to spy on and what not - DaneDukeNuuk Oct 30, 11:15 2
    - pff, the law. -- nm - Pee Wee Herman Oct 30, 11:16 1
      - i know it's not really leagal to kidnap and enprison citizens of other nations but it happens even without an apology afterwards -- nm - DaneDukeNuuk Oct 30, 11:30
  - Since so much of political and economic negotiations is like a game of poker, its easier if you can peek at their cards -- nm - zeitgeist Oct 30, 11:13
- 99% of all valuable inteligence would be given voluntarally i think - DaneDukeNuuk Oct 30, 11:01
some people don't really get the outrage it seems - DaneDukeNuuk Oct 30, 11:00 2
- I'm not suggesting it was wise or good to do that - and we've had our own spying scandal recently - Reagen Oct 30, 11:02 1
  - thats what i mean - DaneDukeNuuk Oct 30, 11:09
Has ST discussed this yet? Kremlin slips spying gadgets into G20 summit gift bags -- (link) - Strongbad Oct 30, 10:57
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