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In response to ""I mean, what he was advocating for was not necessarily the right answer..."" by Mel Profit

What does that even mean? -- nm

Posted by Roger More (aka rogermore) Dec 6 '13, 12:03

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Several right wingers of the time thought Mandela a terrorist and were against sanctions to South Africa. Dick Cheney and Ronald Reagan, for example -- nm - con_carne Dec 6, 12:06 24
- Well, he was; it's not like the ANC at that time were a bunch of choir boys. - IrishStephen Dec 6, 12:30 17
  - My cursory reading of wikipedia (take that for what it's worth) says he advocated bombings when civilians weren't present. That's anti-terrorist to me - Max Dec 6, 12:43 3
    - Whether that's true or not he was a member of a terrorist organization that did carry out bombings against civilians. - IrishStephen Dec 6, 13:01 2
      - By the same measure, do you consider all IRA members terrorists? - spamlet Dec 6, 13:11 1
        
        Oh, It's something that I too personally struggle with. - IrishStephen Dec 6, 13:20
  - Most leaders have a mixed legacy at best, but when they pass away you focus on the good stuff. -- nm - Roger More Dec 6, 12:39 8
    - heh I'm sure Thatcher's ghost would have appreciated that sentiment. -- nm - IrishStephen Dec 6, 12:51 1
      - I'm sure she would. But which American public figures had negative things to say about her at the time of her death? -- nm - Roger More Dec 6, 12:57
    - Yeah, I am so not going to do this when... some people die -- nm - con_carne Dec 6, 12:43
    - While this is true, I don't really agree with ignoring the bad stuff when leaders die. But these people are doing the same thing - ty97 Dec 6, 12:43 4
      - Personally, I think people have the rest of time to weigh someone's legacy. A couple of days or a week after someone's passing doesn't make much - Roger More Dec 6, 12:50 3
        
        Taking to full (and admittedly silly example) conclusion, this would mean the headline "Respected Amateur Painter Adolf Hitler Mourned After Suicide" - ty97 Dec 6, 12:56 2
        
        I'll leave that part to professional obituarists. But when a politician I disagree with dies, I won't say "good" or "serves him right for what he did" - Roger More Dec 6, 13:15
        
        although that's a fantastic Onion esque headline. -- nm - Reagen Dec 6, 12:59
  - don't ignore it perhaps but also put it in context. It's not like his opponents wanted to engage in a tickle fight. -- nm - Mel Profit Dec 6, 12:36 3
    - I want to engage in a tickle fight. -- nm - Diva Dec 6, 13:11
    - True. - IrishStephen Dec 6, 12:48 1
      - Is it reviled today? I think those advocating violence in today's world are, but the IRA is power sharing in Northern Ireland - Roger More Dec 6, 13:06
- But the thing he's best known for advocating is "an end to apartheid through reconciliation" - Roger More Dec 6, 12:19 3
  - and not to put to fine a point on it, but the SA regime was evil. -- nm - Reagen Dec 6, 12:25 2
    - Yeah, this is one historical issue where my side's political leadership were true leaders. Mulroney (and Clark) were aggressively pro-Mandela. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Dec 6, 12:59 1
      - yes. I pointed this out yesterday as Mulroney's highlight. -- nm - Reagen Dec 6, 13:04
- Luckily the Democrats in the house overode Reagan -- nm - MDH Dec 6, 12:07 1
  - With lots of Republicans joining in of course, but yeah -- nm - con_carne Dec 6, 12:09

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