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Moral question for TT: Read inside

Posted by TWuG Mar 3 '09, 10:09

Some of you will know what inspires this.

3 million people are killed in a major city. The entire world thinks it's the result of an off-world attack and bands together. This event basically eliminates hostilities between nations as they focus on an outward threat.

However, the deaths are actually the result of a plan put in place by one group to force peace on a world at the brink of nuclear war.

The question: You know who did it and you know why they did it. Do you keep quiet, accepting the 3 million deaths as a small price to pay for world peace or do you reveal the secret to the world at large?

I think I would reveal the secret. The goal is noble, but the means are intolerable.

Responses:

I wouldn't need to because the secret will come out at some point anyway. Only thing is if it could be ... - Ozorkmandias Mar 3, 10:25
Keep silent. It's for the greater good. -- nm - Shaun Mar 3, 10:23 2
- I CANNOT hear that line without hear the Communit Watch echoing it back - TWuG Mar 3, 10:24 1
  - The Greater Good. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 3, 10:24
I would go bat crazy and spout the truth, but no one would believe me. - tRuMaN Mar 3, 10:22
It's like if you cheated on your spouse a decade ago but never since (and likely won't again). Do you tell her? - Dr.Vermin Mar 3, 10:20 9
- Except it's not like that. You know who did it, not you did it. - Will Hunting Mar 3, 10:23 4
  - You're still revealing unpleasantness only for the sake of honesty, with no regard for the effects, except for your own self-satisfaction. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Mar 3, 10:26 2
    - Not if you believe they could do something similar again. - Inigo Mar 3, 10:28
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  - Maybe Vermin *did* do it. - JaxSean Mar 3, 10:25
- What if your wife was one of the ones killed? -- nm - JaxSean Mar 3, 10:22 1
  - Then I *definitely* wouldn't mention I cheated on her. - Dr.Vermin Mar 3, 10:23
- Word. -- nm - Loyola Mar 3, 10:21
- Yes, that's exactly what it's like. - Beryllium Mar 3, 10:21
Russ Cargill's insidious plan to blow up Springfield went much deeper than I realized. -- nm - Callisto Mar 3, 10:19 1
- I blame President Schwarzenegger. -- nm - Reagen Mar 3, 10:20
I would wait and see if they find any off-world hostiles first. -- nm - Tauruschach Mar 3, 10:19
Reveal, because without a real enemy the alliance won't last unless more cities are targetted. -- nm - ceregon Mar 3, 10:17
Qualifier: I would reveal it if I stumbled upon the *plot* to carry out these actions, but not after they were done (if the goal was a success). -- nm - Jelly Mar 3, 10:16
I would reveal. I never liked that guy anyways. -- nm - crash davis Mar 3, 10:16
I agree with you -- nm - con_carne Mar 3, 10:14
I would reveal the secret. Human nature would pretty much mean we'd be back to the brike of nuclear war within a few months anyway -- nm - Alan More Mar 3, 10:13
I would ... - Beryllium Mar 3, 10:13
keep quiet - Jovian Mar 3, 10:13 1
- :) -- nm - Jelly Mar 3, 10:15
Reveal. The ends don't justivy the means. -- nm - JaxSean Mar 3, 10:12 23
- But the means have already happened, so why not enjoy the end? -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Mar 3, 10:13 22
  - Becuase it's not the end. It's just the end of the first genocidal action perpetrated by the bad guys. -- nm - Will Hunting Mar 3, 10:15
  - Just because Bin Laden "united" America, it doesn't justify the means. He still needs to answer for the crime. -- nm - JaxSean Mar 3, 10:15 19
    - How did UBL get brought into this seeing as in the original post; - Loyola Mar 3, 10:20 10
      - Because while it wasn't the original intent of the action, it still brought a nation together to focus and champion a cause against Terrorism. - JaxSean Mar 3, 10:24 4
        
        But for the analogy to hold, that line of thought would have you believe that the nation pre 9/11 was tearing itself apart. - Loyola Mar 3, 10:27 2
        
        well, take a look at the 2000 election... -- nm - znufrii, older, no wiser Mar 3, 10:29 1
        
        Hardly at the brink of nuclear war now. In fairness like. -- nm - Loyola Mar 3, 10:32
        
        Now, let's expand on that: Bush and Chaney faked the 911 attacks but succeeded in eliminating terrorism. You know they - TWuG Mar 3, 10:27
      - Basically, after 9/11, it was the world vs Afghanistan/Al Queda. - Will Hunting Mar 3, 10:21 4
        
        But that international unity fell apart pretty quickly as different countries had different ideas on how to respond to the threat -- nm - Alan More Mar 3, 10:23 2
        
        And, of course, after Bush opened his mouth ... -- nm - Beryllium Mar 3, 10:24 1
        
        that was *one* of the different ideas. I don't put it all on Bush though -- nm - Alan More Mar 3, 10:25
        
        for a coulpe weeks, at least -- nm - znufrii, older, no wiser Mar 3, 10:23
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      - The intent still doesn't justify the action, in my opinion. -- nm - JaxSean Mar 3, 10:16 5
        
        I think the question of justification is irrelevant once the action has taken its course. -- nm - znufrii, older, no wiser Mar 3, 10:20 4
        
        *Marvels that he is agreeing with Znu* -- nm - Dr.Vermin Mar 3, 10:21 3
        
        *braces for quantum singularity* -- nm - Reagen Mar 3, 10:22
        
        the only motive I can see for revealing is to be retributive, which I see being less than useful. -- nm - znufrii, older, no wiser Mar 3, 10:22 1
        
        In this conversation, it sounds like people are suggesting it would be "preventative", but I think they misread the original supposition. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 3, 10:26
      - and truth be told, he didn't do all that great of a job of it, either... -- nm - znufrii, older, no wiser Mar 3, 10:16
  - Because the chances of a group who killed three million people never doing anything horrible again are pretty much nil. - Inigo Mar 3, 10:14
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- there was a lot of that left over after the explosion, for sure -- nm - Alan More Mar 3, 10:15
- Ah, but the world isn't free of nukes, just (currently) free of the desire to use them on one another. -- nm - TWuG Mar 3, 10:13 1
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Kill a few million to save billions. That's hard to answer. No clue. -- nm - lileve Mar 3, 10:11 5
- What if all the three million were wearing red shirts? -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Mar 3, 10:13 4
  - It's such a deep question that I don't have one answer for. -- nm - lileve Mar 3, 10:14 3
    - Yup. And when in doubt, shut your mouth. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Mar 3, 10:17 2
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      - Ditto. -- nm - lileve Mar 3, 10:18
Keep quiet. The means are intolerable, but what's done is done. -- nm - Loyola Mar 3, 10:11 2
- Makes sense. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Mar 3, 10:15
- Agreed. - Jelly Mar 3, 10:13
I would... - znufrii, older, no wiser Mar 3, 10:10 3
- Answer the question. -- nm - TWuG Mar 3, 10:11 2
  - I would keep quiet about the facts, but allow the truth to come out through my art. - znufrii, older, no wiser Mar 3, 10:13 1
    - And I would (spoiler) - znufrii, older, no wiser Mar 3, 10:15

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