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In response to "given the inability to take more substantive action in the face of relentless political opposition from the NRA, et al., I'll take speed bumps. -- nm" by znufrii

so congrats on that, your killer was only able to shoot and kill 9 instead of 12.

Posted by groiny (aka groiny) Jun 12 '14, 11:07

it is a bullshit solution to a bigger issue.

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You seem to be waiting for someone to come up with the 100% total fix solution before doing anything. -- nm - Reagen Jun 12, 11:28 1
- that is not true, I am saying that, again, a person with multiple clips - groiny Jun 12, 11:31
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- because you argue that an armed bystander shooting at the gunman MIGHT hit someone not intended to be shot..... - groiny Jun 12, 11:24 19
  - less deaths are better, yes. - Reagen Jun 12, 11:30 18
    - you could have zero people dead if an armed citizen gets the shooter first. - groiny Jun 12, 11:32 17
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      - as we've recently seen, that scenario is more likely to end with one more dead citizen. -- nm - Reagen Jun 12, 11:33 5
        
        small sample size. nm -- nm - groiny Jun 12, 11:35 4
        
        You're off in Rambo Fantasy Land. -- nm - Reagen Jun 12, 11:36 3
        
        if a gunman has to stop to deal with another shooter, doesn't it make sense that - groiny Jun 12, 11:38 2
        
        again, experience shows us otherwise. -- nm - Reagen Jun 12, 11:41
        
        There are hundreds of millions of guns in the US and shooters are *not* being stopped. This argument is fallacy -- nm - zork Jun 12, 11:41
      - that's a pretty big if. - znufrii Jun 12, 11:33 6
        
        BUT IT IS POSSIBLE! -- nm - groiny Jun 12, 11:34 5
        
        a lot of things are possible. - znufrii Jun 12, 11:36 4
        
        but, you said you are fine with speedbumps! -- nm - groiny Jun 12, 11:36 3
        
        Because speed bumps, by design, mitigate risk by controlling behavior, they don't add to it. - znufrii Jun 12, 11:38 2
        
        no, speed bumps are there to cause something or someone to pause. - groiny Jun 12, 11:40 1
        
        which smaller magazines does accomplish -- nm - zork Jun 12, 11:42
      - why would he shoot the person if they hadn't shot anyone? -- nm - Beaker Jun 12, 11:33 2
        
        shot, not killed. the gunmen do not have a 1 to 1 shot to kill ratio. nm -- nm - groiny Jun 12, 11:34 1
        
        neither does a would=be heroic bystander returning fire -- nm - znufrii Jun 12, 11:44
please read what you just posted -- nm - zork Jun 12, 11:10 2
- oh, I know full well that I posted. - groiny Jun 12, 11:11 1
  - i think the point in both cases is "less people dead = good". -- nm - Andie Jun 12, 11:13
those 3 people that didn't die are probably pretty pleased about it. -- nm - Andie Jun 12, 11:09
offs. - znufrii Jun 12, 11:09 1
- you guys are funny. -- nm - groiny Jun 12, 11:09

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so congrats on that, your killer was only able to shoot and kill 9 instead of 12.

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