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Israel just bombed a UN facility. Killing 15 -- (link)

Posted by Beaker (aka anniebecca) Jul 24 '14, 07:12

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-conflict-israeli-fire-hits-un-facility-killing-15-1.2716414 (www.cbc.ca)

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Maybe Hamas should stop using UN facilities to hide their rockets. - TWuG Jul 24, 07:15 67
- It's a pretty easy defense to argue every time (x location) is bombed that Hamas has a rocket there - ty97 Jul 24, 07:27 53
  - Perhaps if Hamas didn't have rockets there would be no need to bomb anything. - TWuG Jul 24, 07:32 21
    - What a tunnel vision view of the world. Can I buy you a color TV please. - ty97 Jul 24, 07:37 3
      - The problem is. You are only providing a one sided view yourself. What do you expect? -- nm - Bacon Jul 24, 07:40 2
        
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    - Hey hey hey. Israel should let them fire rockets into their country and just take it. Don't you see? Turn the other cheek, and be the bigger people -- nm - Bacon Jul 24, 07:36 16
      - On the flip side, Israel was also supposed to lift the siege after the ceasefire in 2012 (which largely held) they didn't. - mafic Jul 24, 07:47 2
        
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        was just about to post something along these lines as well. -- (link) - znufrii Jul 24, 07:48
      - We see it every time. Hamas pushes too far, Israel strikes back, and suddenly the academics, intellectuals, and outragers condemn Israel... - IrishStephen Jul 24, 07:44 12
        
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        Yes, I've seen exactly that. - IrishStephen Jul 24, 07:50 1
        
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        Don't you get it? In the US mentality, you are either for Israel (all the time! no matter what!) or you are against Israel. - ty97 Jul 24, 07:49 2
        
        i actually think Canada is worse for this. -- nm - Andie Jul 24, 07:50
        
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        The same place everyone else was. Condemning Hamas. -- nm - ty97 Jul 24, 07:46 5
        
        There's nowhere near this level of outrage directed at Hamas, not even close. - IrishStephen Jul 24, 07:55 4
        
        I think it's because it's understood that terrorists are universally condemned, while Israel is supposed to be like us - a modern, democratic country - Roger More Jul 24, 08:02
        
        of course there is. no-one thinks Hamas is in the right. -- nm - Andie Jul 24, 08:01
        
        The vast majority of this country is 100%, unquestionably, in all cases on Israel's side and against Hamas. - ty97 Jul 24, 08:00 1
        
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  - Well, it's not hard to track where one of the thousands of fired missiles came from. We gave them the technology to do it. -- nm - Bacon Jul 24, 07:30 30
    - And our rockets have never missed their target and killed a wedding party, so that's reassuring -- nm - ty97 Jul 24, 07:30 29
      - Innocents die in war. Is it acceptable? No. But Hamas is the party at fault. - TWuG Jul 24, 07:34
      - Guess what. If Hamas stops firing rockets into Israel they won't accidently bomb their shit. - Bacon Jul 24, 07:33 27
        
        Ahh, yes, I mention that innoncents may be dying unnessarily and now I'm "anti-Israel" - ty97 Jul 24, 07:40 4
        
        You don't think Hamas is hiding behind civilians? It's been on every major news network. So how would you get the missiles away from them? - Bacon Jul 24, 07:43 3
        
        You know how you don't kill those same human shields? Lobbing bombs at them. - Will Hunting Jul 24, 07:55
        
        I haven't called for no casualties. But I have said, and I will continue to say, that Israel can't be givien a blank check on casualties either. - ty97 Jul 24, 07:46 1
        
        I think it's fair to question. Hamas though shouldn't be hiding stuff in civilian areas and they cry when Israel does what they wanted them to do all - Bacon Jul 24, 07:50
        
        people are dying on both sides, less in israel in fact. my office is half Israeli, but i don't think Israel is blameless here. -- nm - Andie Jul 24, 07:37 21
        
        This is a really tough situation. Nobody is blameless, but that doesn't make it equal. We all want Israel to show restraint because they have so - pmb Jul 24, 07:42 20
        
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        The actions are aimed at taking out the weapons and the means for obtaining more. That's very different than targeting civilians as Hamas does. -- nm - pmb Jul 24, 07:53 3
        
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        Intent matters. -- nm - pmb Jul 24, 08:00 1
        
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        Cuba would cease to exist, as a piece of land, if that were the case. -- nm - Shaun Jul 24, 07:47 2
        
        They had Russia's nuclear deterent to prevent that. -- nm - Bacon Jul 24, 07:52 1
        
        Disregard above. I read the wrong post -- nm - Bacon Jul 24, 07:54
        
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        Any country would. No country would (or should be expected to) simply absorb constant attacks without protecting itself. Attacks that target - pmb Jul 24, 07:52 3
        
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        no need to shift blame when there's plenty to go around on both sides. -- nm - znufrii Jul 24, 07:54 1
        
        That's just false equivalence, though. "Both sides have blame" ignores that one side deliberately targets civilians while using civilians as shields - TWuG Jul 24, 08:01
        
        I agree with this and especially the last sentence. -- nm - Mel Profit Jul 24, 07:44
        
        oh, i agree. but i don't like the north american perspective that israel can never do wrong. -- nm - Andie Jul 24, 07:43 5
        
        I totally agree that Israel can and has done wrong, but I think in the world at large they take a disproportionate amount of blame. I get that when - pmb Jul 24, 07:50 3
        
        Pretty much this. A rational path for Israel would be to stop with the settlements in disputed areas and allow a bit more freedom of trade and travel - TWuG Jul 24, 07:58 2
        
        i don't think anyone said 'stop reacting'. just that israel needs to be accountable as well. -- nm - Andie Jul 24, 08:00 1
        
        They are accountable. And their reaction is measured. Is it resulting in greater than 0 civilian deaths? Yeah. - TWuG Jul 24, 08:06
        
        I don't say that myself. I don't like them building houses into areas that are occupied territories. I think that is just flaming the hatred for - Bacon Jul 24, 07:47
- They should stop hiding them in ambulances too -- (link) - ty97 Jul 24, 07:22
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  - Women and children are dying because Hamas keeps throwing missiles at Israel. The missiles stop, so does the retaliation from Israel. - TWuG Jul 24, 07:19 9
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    - I think this is incomplete. Netanyahu has decided that it's in Israel's interests to stick with the status quo - a larger Israel and a weak Palestine - Roger More Jul 24, 07:36 4
      - Absolutely. But Israel's actions are along the lines of blocking trade and building settlement. Not raining random destruction down on Palestinians. - TWuG Jul 24, 07:46 2
        
        No one's advocating sympathy for Hamas, just for the civilians affected by the conflict. -- nm - Roger More Jul 24, 07:51
        
        Sure seems like Israel is raining down random destruction from the Palestinian's POV, I'd wager. -- nm - znufrii Jul 24, 07:51
      - how dare you provide a reasoned and nuanced explanation of the situation instead of taking sides! -- nm - znufrii Jul 24, 07:37
    - Why would they stop? this is a great recruiting tool for them! -- nm - znufrii Jul 24, 07:21 2
      - Sure, because people feel sorry for the women and children Hamas deliberately puts in harm's way. -- nm - TWuG Jul 24, 07:24 1
        
        ...and? -- nm - Hamas Jul 24, 07:27
- Ding Ding Ding!! And hospitals and schools -- nm - Bacon Jul 24, 07:16
Is it the same facility that Hamas was hiding weapons in? -- nm - spamlet Jul 24, 07:15
the 4th time, but the first with casualities -- nm - Beaker Jul 24, 07:13

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