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In response to "people are dying on both sides, less in israel in fact. my office is half Israeli, but i don't think Israel is blameless here. -- nm" by Andie

This is a really tough situation. Nobody is blameless, but that doesn't make it equal. We all want Israel to show restraint because they have so

Posted by pmb (aka pmb) Jul 24 '14, 07:42

much more power and damage to inflict, but can you imagine how we would react if Cuba was lobbing rockets into Miami on a daily basis? Hamas started this and they deliberately surround their combatants and weapons with civilians (including children) to drive the world to outrage against Israel. I don't agree with all that Israel does in their relations with the Palestinians (I'd like them to stop building settlements in Gaza for instance), but there is a confounding false equivalency of blame that goes on as well.

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- The actions are aimed at taking out the weapons and the means for obtaining more. That's very different than targeting civilians as Hamas does. -- nm - pmb Jul 24, 07:53 3
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    - Intent matters. -- nm - pmb Jul 24, 08:00 1
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Cuba would cease to exist, as a piece of land, if that were the case. -- nm - Shaun Jul 24, 07:47 2
- They had Russia's nuclear deterent to prevent that. -- nm - Bacon Jul 24, 07:52 1
  - Disregard above. I read the wrong post -- nm - Bacon Jul 24, 07:54
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- Any country would. No country would (or should be expected to) simply absorb constant attacks without protecting itself. Attacks that target - pmb Jul 24, 07:52 3
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  - no need to shift blame when there's plenty to go around on both sides. -- nm - znufrii Jul 24, 07:54 1
    - That's just false equivalence, though. "Both sides have blame" ignores that one side deliberately targets civilians while using civilians as shields - TWuG Jul 24, 08:01
I agree with this and especially the last sentence. -- nm - Mel Profit Jul 24, 07:44
oh, i agree. but i don't like the north american perspective that israel can never do wrong. -- nm - Andie Jul 24, 07:43 5
- I totally agree that Israel can and has done wrong, but I think in the world at large they take a disproportionate amount of blame. I get that when - pmb Jul 24, 07:50 3
  - Pretty much this. A rational path for Israel would be to stop with the settlements in disputed areas and allow a bit more freedom of trade and travel - TWuG Jul 24, 07:58 2
    - i don't think anyone said 'stop reacting'. just that israel needs to be accountable as well. -- nm - Andie Jul 24, 08:00 1
      - They are accountable. And their reaction is measured. Is it resulting in greater than 0 civilian deaths? Yeah. - TWuG Jul 24, 08:06
- I don't say that myself. I don't like them building houses into areas that are occupied territories. I think that is just flaming the hatred for - Bacon Jul 24, 07:47

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This is a really tough situation. Nobody is blameless, but that doesn't make it equal. We all want Israel to show restraint because they have so

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