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That is the point that most boggles my mind...the danger to the girl should have convinced anyone

Posted by The Calico Cat Coalition (aka seandunham) Mar 11 '09, 06:38

I'd debate and respect the other side of the issue on all the other points, disagreeing, but knowing that it was a reasonable point of view...but that is too far.

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- I can accept their belief that they don't want to punish the baby for that...I don't agree, but accept it - The Calico Cat Coalition Mar 11, 07:26
I don't know...the guy is standing by his convictions. He believes abortion is wrong...period. nm - Jim Mar 11, 06:41 43
- His conviction is basically this: - The Calico Cat Coalition Mar 11, 06:49
- I don't think we should encourage conviction to the extent that it overrules compassion. -- nm - znufrii Mar 11, 06:45 40
  - It isn't overruling compassion. His compassion just has a different focus than yours might. -- nm - TFox Mar 11, 06:51 34
    - bullsh!t - znufrii Mar 11, 06:56 2
      - *shrug* - TFox Mar 11, 06:57 1
        
        we can all imaginge his excutions for bing stone age we don't really need an explanation for why his dangerous and stupid -- nm - danedukenuuk Mar 11, 07:01
    - i think compassion should be directed towards people and not religious dogma -- nm - danedukenuuk Mar 11, 06:54 30
      - In his view the twins WERE people. -- nm - Ender Mar 11, 06:56 29
        
        and how do his actions here benefit them? -- nm - znufrii Mar 11, 07:01 27
        
        the only benefit i can see is that more people leave that union of dogmatic stupidity - danedukenuuk Mar 11, 07:07
        
        How do a judge's actions benefit a murder victim? -- nm - Ender Mar 11, 07:04 25
        
        They don't. And it won't surprise you at all to hear that I feel our justice system is unnecessarily retributive. - znufrii Mar 11, 07:07 17
        
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        nobody cares wht law the church has for the color scheeme INSIDE their own churches - danedukenuuk Mar 11, 07:12 3
        
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        "Manipulating" people into doing the moral thing is kind of the whole point. -- nm - Ender Mar 11, 07:13 1
        
        well then "manipulate" the lawmakers to change the law and NOT the 9 year old who is pregnant and probably going to die -- nm - danedukenuuk Mar 11, 07:18
        
        There's something wrong when I, the uber-Protestant, find myself defending the Catholic Church. -- nm - Ender Mar 11, 07:10 5
        
        an attack on the curch is also an attack on religion (nomatter what color that religion IS) - danedukenuuk Mar 11, 07:13 3
        
        Well, at least you're taking the reasonable "abolish all religion because SOME religious people do things I don't like" approach. -- nm - Ender Mar 11, 07:17 2
        
        the most fair thing is to remove religion or you will have to have some sort of "counsil" to judge each if they are dogmatic or not - danedukenuuk Mar 11, 07:20 1
        
        Or you could just say "you're free to believe whatever you want so long as you're willing to accept the consequences if you violate civil law" - Ender Mar 11, 07:25
        
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        did I say that it didn't? -- nm - znufrii Mar 11, 07:10 5
        
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        by claiming that their laws are inspired by God, they are precisely *not* "taking responsibility" for it, - znufrii Mar 11, 07:16 3
        
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        I get the point that you're making, that civil jurisprudence has historically taken its cues from canon and religious law. - znufrii Mar 11, 07:24 1
        
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        After the fact nothing can help either a murder victim or a dead fetus. In both situations it's about a combination of punishment and providing a deterrent. - Ender Mar 11, 07:09 5
        
        providing a deterrent - danedukenuuk Mar 11, 07:15
        
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        Personally I think they all ought to join a nice Protestant denomination that doesn't kick people out for not being perfect... - Ender Mar 11, 07:19 2
        
        I agree with Ender...yikes! -- nm - The Calico Cat Coalition Mar 11, 07:23
        
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        but the 9 year old was expendable -- nm - The Calico Cat Coalition Mar 11, 06:57
  - a church that excumunicates people for following the law is way out beyond help -- nm - danedukenuuk Mar 11, 06:48 4
    - There is Biblical backup for that one too. (Maybe not to the point of excommunication, but...) -- nm - TFox Mar 11, 06:56 3
      - "The law of God is higher than any human laws," - danedukenuuk Mar 11, 07:00 2
        
        You're seriously equating excommunicating someone for having an abortion to approving of 9/11? Seriously?! -- nm - Ender Mar 11, 07:05 1
        
        no i am saying if you let "the law of god" superceed the laws made by Humans - danedukenuuk Mar 11, 07:10
- exactly mutch like the guy who thinks water is devils work and let the 9 year old kid drown in 10 inch of water -- nm - danedukenuuk Mar 11, 06:44

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