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so, where do we fall on the blame for this dirt track kid getting killed?

Posted by groiny (aka groiny) Aug 11 '14, 07:16

Are we slamming Stewart or the Kid for getting out of the car and walking into speeding traffic?

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I don't know Stewart's intent or his alternatives, but I do know that Ward would be alive if he'd stayed with his vehicle. - Max Aug 11, 08:24 1
- well said max -- nm - JenBro Aug 11, 09:33
I say it was a horrible accident, with a lot of "blame" on the kid for being in the middle of that, and possibly some on Stewart. - JaxSean Aug 11, 07:35 4
- No matter how you slice it, at least 50% of the blame is on the kid. -- nm - Spawn Aug 11, 07:36 3
  - Unfortunately, yes. -- nm - JaxSean Aug 11, 07:38
  - it is an interesting thing for me, because it is 100% of his fault if he stayed in the car. nm -- nm - groiny Aug 11, 07:37 1
    - 100% Stewarts fault if Ward stayed in the car? -- nm - Beryllium Aug 11, 07:46
Obama. -- nm - mara Aug 11, 07:29 1
- Amen! -- nm - Fox "News" Aug 11, 07:30
Heard Ricky Craven on Mike and Mike this morning calling for NASCAR to make getting out of the car against the rules... - Jim Aug 11, 07:24 17
- I was figuring this morning that this would be the result. If you are getting out because of fire or to immediately leave the track, OK, but otherwise - zork Aug 11, 07:26 3
  - I have seen NASCAR drivers throw their helmet at a car passing by. - groiny Aug 11, 07:33 2
    - NASCAR loves every story written, except ones like the one that started this conversation. - Spawn Aug 11, 07:35
    - (Tony Stewart did this, actually.) -- nm - Kim Pine Aug 11, 07:35
- This wasn't a NASCAR sanctioned race or track. Wouldn't have made any difference. -- nm - spamlet Aug 11, 07:26 7
  - He was calling for it in all racing. I said NASCAR. -- nm - Jim Aug 11, 07:31
  - I expect the rule would trickle down to lower levels -- nm - zork Aug 11, 07:28 5
    - This is like beer softball leagues and MLB. NASCAR has no control or influence on local dirt tracks. - spamlet Aug 11, 07:29 4
      - if that were true, Stewart would not have even been there. - groiny Aug 11, 07:29 3
        
        NASCAR would *love* if Stewart stopped doing these races last year after he got hurt. - spamlet Aug 11, 07:30 2
        
        yes, but how much do you think him being there increased attendance at that race? - groiny Aug 11, 07:32 1
        
        As I said last year when he got hurt, it's like Jeter showing up at your beer league and asking to play SS. - spamlet Aug 11, 07:47
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- nitpick, iirc - znufrii Aug 11, 07:25 2
  - right, but NASCAR is what everyone sees on TV and highlights. - groiny Aug 11, 07:26
  - Heh. -- nm - Beryllium Aug 11, 07:26
- I agree on all points. nm -- nm - groiny Aug 11, 07:25
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- Unless he was trying to spin the car. Gunning an engine on a wet dirt track is not for speed. -- nm - Spawn Aug 11, 07:34
- Agreed, it depends how reckless Stewart was. Obviously the victim shouldn't have been out on the track, but once he is, Stewart's responsible for his - Roger More Aug 11, 07:26 2
  - Well, the way the investigation is wrapping up, maybe not. - Spawn Aug 11, 07:27 1
    - Sure he was an idiot, but the key factor is on what Stewart did once the kid was out there. - Roger More Aug 11, 07:55
society, obviously. -- nm - znufrii Aug 11, 07:21
Kid. -- nm - Ender Aug 11, 07:21
The kid created the opportunity for it to happen, so at least 50% on him. Possibly higher as we learn more. -- nm - zork Aug 11, 07:19
Stewart, 98%. - Will Hunting Aug 11, 07:19 30
- from what I read 2 other guys barely avoided hitting him and Stewart did his best to do so also, but his back wheel clipped the kid - decline Aug 11, 07:24 12
  - Did you see the video? Don't read the articles; they're written horribly. - Will Hunting Aug 11, 07:29 11
    - Bull. It's a tiny track, coming out of a corner, with the kid purposely trying to get in the way. - Ender Aug 11, 07:36
    - Question for you. Are you saying he goosed the engine because you read reports of people saying he did? - Bacon Aug 11, 07:34 9
      - I see evidence of it on the video. - Will Hunting Aug 11, 07:36 8
        
        yeah, watched it again and there was a rev I heard. -- nm - Bacon Aug 11, 07:42 2
        
        How can you isolate it to that one car across the track? -- nm - zork Aug 11, 07:44 1
        
        The sound comes from the area where the car then shows up. Sure I could be wrong, but it seems to be his car. - Bacon Aug 11, 07:49
        
        Okay. the one thing I noticed was the stutter step the kid took at the last second possible confusing the driver as to where he was going to go. - Bacon Aug 11, 07:39 1
        
        "I immediately regret this decision!" -- nm - groiny Aug 11, 07:40
        
        Right. There's a clear engine rev. -- nm - Reagen Aug 11, 07:37 2
        
        ...which you would also get in a "holy shit I need to avoid this obstacle!!!" situation. -- nm - Ender Aug 11, 07:38
        
        I agree, but what I do not know, is the reason for the rev. I have heard different angles on that one. nm -- nm - groiny Aug 11, 07:38
- On a tiny dark dirt track. -- nm - Spawn Aug 11, 07:21 11
  - Notice on the tap just before he's hit another car runs by him. Could have blocked Tony's view of a person standing there. - Bacon Aug 11, 07:22
  - It wasn't dark. Not if you can see the kid rather clearly on a video camera hundreds of yards away. - Will Hunting Aug 11, 07:22 9
    - So, you have been to a lot of dirt track speedways? I have only been to two, so will bow to your knowledge. - Spawn Aug 11, 07:25
    - We are watching a camera that is still. Not going 60 miles an hour. - Bacon Aug 11, 07:23 6
      - We're not talking John Smith here; we're talking Tony Stewart, one of the finest drivers in the world; maybe the finest driver - Will Hunting Aug 11, 07:27 5
        
        I dunno man, sounds like these dirt tracks are quite the challenge. nm -- nm - groiny Aug 11, 07:29
        
        I thought that too, about scaring the kid and getting too close. But you are making a huge leap based on what we know. - Bacon Aug 11, 07:29 3
        
        Will's description of it certainly seems to fit it to the common understanding of the personality types involved in racing -- nm - znufrii Aug 11, 07:36 1
        
        (as does the kid's actions to seemingly confront a rival driver on foot versus a moving vehicle) -- nm - znufrii Aug 11, 07:38
        
        Also you say that he is one of the top drivers in the world, and then you say he messed up. If the's that great and wanted to throw dirt on the kid - Bacon Aug 11, 07:30
    - dark wet dirt track, kid in black suit, other car in front of him. - groiny Aug 11, 07:23
- yes, Stewart has done it on a professional track. Not a dirt track. nm -- nm - groiny Aug 11, 07:20 4
  - Plus, in CASCAR you have a spotter on a radio that tells you what is ahead. On these dirt tracks you are solo. -- nm - Spawn Aug 11, 07:26
  - He might have instinctively reacted in a way that doesn't work well on dirt, perhaps -- nm - Beryllium Aug 11, 07:21 2
    - it is a stupid reaction either way, what good is getting out and yelling at a driver gonna do? -- nm - groiny Aug 11, 07:22 1
      - Almost none, except maybe boosting his image/brand/whatever that's called by normal people. -- nm - Beryllium Aug 11, 07:25
It's the kid's fault for getting out of his car and entering racing traffic. - Bacon Aug 11, 07:18
Kid, if anyone. -- nm - Spawn Aug 11, 07:18
As I often am, I am in the 'would like more detail' camp. - ty97 Aug 11, 07:17 6
- I would agree. - Kim Pine Aug 11, 07:33
- me too ... from what I've read - he got out of the car after the yellow flag was waved - why did Stewart reportedly speed up under a yellow flag? lot - JenBro Aug 11, 07:19 4
  - That is probably the key question, and the only one who can every truly know the answer is Stewart. - ty97 Aug 11, 07:27
  - He revved his engine. He very well could have done that in an attempt to spin the car away from the kid. -- nm - Spawn Aug 11, 07:20 1
    - yup, and another driver damn near hit the kid before Stewart did. nm -- nm - groiny Aug 11, 07:21
  - because, as I understand, those cars can not brake the way a normal car does. nm -- nm - groiny Aug 11, 07:20

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