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Keith Olbermann: Derek Jeter is not the best baseball player, or shortstop, ever. -- (link)

Posted by Tim (aka othertim) Sep 23 '14, 18:28

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Won't anyone think of all the hotties he got with? -- nm - prayformojo Sep 23, 19:25
He's a bi-racial angel! -- nm - Roger More Sep 23, 19:23 4
- So funny. -- nm - kelly Sep 23, 19:38
- You shoulda shot ARod! - Will Hunting Sep 23, 19:30 2
  - "Seriously, who is that?" -- nm - Roger More Sep 23, 19:49 1
    - That's the other line that kills me. -- nm - Will Hunting Sep 23, 20:01
Related: I despise the Richard Sherman ad for Nike. -- nm - nubby Sep 23, 19:09
There's a certain delusion of grandeur that goes along with these rants too, smart guy. -- nm - Max Sep 23, 19:03 1
- Oh, Olbermann's full of himself, I don't disagree, but he's really on point with a lot of his commentaries lately. -- nm - Tim Sep 23, 19:06
Didn't Jeter date Madonna at some point? That's probably the only reason I even know his name. - jaxSean Sep 23, 18:59 3
- Nah, that was Madonna. Jeter dated every hot woman in the last 15 years. -- nm - Will Hunting Sep 23, 19:02 2
  - You mean Mariah. - Reagen Sep 23, 19:03 1
    - Rght, I butchered that. ARod with the hag, Jeter ruined Mariah. -- nm - Will Hunting Sep 23, 19:04
I'm trying to imagine another league doing farewell tours for opposing players and laughing my head off. -- nm - Reagen Sep 23, 18:56 9
- Kareem Abdul-Jabar got a nice farewell tour -- nm - crash davis Sep 23, 19:12 1
  - Boston gave him part of the parquet floor -- nm - crash davis Sep 23, 19:13
- Gretzky sort of got it. unofficially. -- nm - mafic Sep 23, 19:09 1
  - though I seem to remember Bettman asked him to come back for one more to get the real deal, and he said no. -- nm - mafic Sep 23, 19:19
- It happens in basketball, too. -- nm - David Sep 23, 18:57 1
  - Bleh. they should have some hometown pride. -- nm - Reagen Sep 23, 18:59
- NBA did for Kareem. -- nm - Remlik Sep 23, 18:57 2
  - I missed your post before I made mine :) -- nm - crash davis Sep 23, 19:13 1
    - Crash you may always double post! -- nm - Remlik Sep 23, 19:30
(I actually had no idea he's one of the worst defensive shortstops ever.) -- nm - Tim Sep 23, 18:55 6
- But still going to the hall of fame on the first ballot. - Krusty Sep 23, 18:58
- Opinions vary on that. I'm looking forward to the future when we have precise calculations on that stuff. - David Sep 23, 18:57 4
  - It still bothers me how all that stuff can only be calculated after the fact. - Tim Sep 23, 19:04 2
    - Even if your team sucks, they could always be worse without you. -- nm - Reagen Sep 23, 19:08
    - If your team goes 0-162, then no, but as long as it's not extreme, it's pretty standard. -- nm - nubby Sep 23, 19:06
  - Yeah, defensive WAR is still a bit rough, to my understanding. - Reagen Sep 23, 18:58
Chipper Jones got a similar good-bye tour, but it wasn't nearly as publicized. - nubby Sep 23, 18:48 18
- lol at comparing Chipper Jones to Derek Jeter -- nm - Jovian Sep 23, 18:53 12
  - Right, Chipper is demonstrably better. There is over 100 points difference in their career OPS. -- nm - David Sep 23, 18:55 11
    - oh no, you misunderstand. I am totally not on boad the Jeter is amazing train. Im solely saying he is the most popular and loved ballplayer in years. -- nm - Jovian Sep 23, 18:58
    - Yeah, OPS+ is 115 for Jeter vs 141 for Jones. Jones was far more damaging a hitter. - Will Hunting Sep 23, 18:57 9
      - (But just to be clear, I think Derek Jeter is and should be a slam dunk first ballot Hall of Famer.) -- nm - David Sep 23, 18:58 8
        
        (I mean, except for a handful of idiot sportswriters who think they're guarding the Holy Grail) -- nm - Reagen Sep 23, 19:01 1
        
        I hope Deadspin buys another ballot. -- nm - Tim Sep 23, 19:02
        
        He's Ripken a decade later. - Will Hunting Sep 23, 19:00
        
        Yes, I don't think anyone disagrees with that. - Reagen Sep 23, 19:00 4
        
        He's the greatest Yankee in 50 years, so I get it but I also agree it's gone too far. - David Sep 23, 19:01 3
        
        It doesn't help that we're just one year from Mariano Rivera getting blown at every MLB ball park. -- nm - Reagen Sep 23, 19:05 2
        
        Except Citi Field, where he blew. - Tim Sep 23, 19:05 1
        
        Zing! -- nm - nubby Sep 23, 19:06
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  - About as much as "New York DESERVES greatness" makes me roll my eyes. -- nm - nubby Sep 23, 18:54 3
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      - Because you live in New York. - nubby Sep 23, 19:07 1
        
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- well, Jorge Posada for one. -- nm - Tim Sep 23, 18:44 7
  - you can't believe anything a weeble wobble says -- nm - CQ Sep 23, 18:51 2
    - Ha! Plus he's Derek's boyfriend, of course he thinks he the greatest. -- nm - Krusty Sep 23, 18:52 1
      - hee. -- nm - Tim Sep 23, 19:08
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    - First 30 seconds of the video. -- nm - Tim Sep 23, 18:49 2
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        This. :-) -- nm - Krusty Sep 23, 18:52
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My view: He's one of the best players of his era. Yes, he's a Hall of Famer. But knock this "best ever" crap off. - Tim Sep 23, 18:32 11
- No one in their right mind things Jeter is the best anything in baseball. Great, yes. Best, no. - Krusty Sep 23, 18:50
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- Best, by what metric? -- nm - nubby Sep 23, 18:47 6
  - Outstanding achievement in the field of excellence -- nm - prayformojo Sep 23, 18:52
  - Well, he's 4th in active WAR at B-R so one of the best of his era would suffice - Will Hunting Sep 23, 18:50
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    - Consistency, maybe. Chipper actually led the league in something at some point. -- nm - nubby Sep 23, 18:54 2
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        Doesn't bother me one bit. The KO piece is the first I've paid real attention. -- nm - nubby Sep 23, 18:59
- yep -- nm - tobor.2 Sep 23, 18:34
- this -- nm - Beaker Sep 23, 18:32
Scooter -- nm - Peglegpete Sep 23, 18:32
Cal Ripken Jr.! -- nm - crash davis Sep 23, 18:31 3
- Ernie Banks -- nm - CQ Sep 23, 18:41 1
  - Honus Wagner. -- nm - Will Hunting Sep 23, 18:45
- He is easily the most beloved player since Ripken thats for sure. -- nm - Jovian Sep 23, 18:34

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