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YDC: After thinking about for a day, I don't think Pettitte, Posada or Bernie deserve to have their number retired. They just weren't great. A plaque

Posted by Krusty (aka Krustylu) Feb 17 '15, 06:11

is enough, just like Paul O'Neill got last year and Willie Randolph will get this year. To put those three next to Ruth, Gherig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Yogi, etc. is just wrong. They're not the on the same level at all and it diminishes the value and worth of having your number retired.
I appreciate what all three did for the Yankees and I will love them for bringing all those titles to the city, no doubt. None of the three belong on anything but a plaque.

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yup -- nm - Beaker Feb 17, 06:27
I disagree with you on Posada. -- nm - David Feb 17, 06:21 29
- Of the three he's the closest to deserving the honor but I can't put him next to Yogi, Dickey or Howard. His numbers compare to Howard but Howard was - Krusty Feb 17, 06:25 6
  - He's a position-scarce offensive force and team leader from a four-time world champion. - David Feb 17, 06:29 5
    - And that's why he should get a nice shiny plaque. :-) His number I have the least problem with being retired. The other two are much less deserving - Krusty Feb 17, 06:31 4
      - I'm absolutely with you on the others. I think of the whole thing as a shrine to the Yankees' return to glory. - David Feb 17, 06:36 3
        
        I have a feeling that if they didn't include Pettitte I wouldn't be as annoyed. I could live with the other two but wouldn't really be happy about it - Krusty Feb 17, 06:38 2
        
        plus Pettitte is a juicer cheating lying douche bag -- nm - CQ Feb 17, 06:41 1
        
        I mentioned it. :-) I liked him right until that day. -- nm - Krusty Feb 17, 06:42
- (He's #178 all-time in oWAR) -- nm - David Feb 17, 06:24 21
  - He's 326th in OPS+ - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:30 19
    - And what's his rank among catchers over the last 40 years? -- nm - David Feb 17, 06:31 18
      - here's the JAWS breakdown for Catchers --- - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:35 17
        
        I'm enjoying looking at this. My perception is that Posada gets in during his first five years on the ballot. - David Feb 17, 06:39 8
        
        Ted Simmons has absurd counting stats for a guy at that position...I think he's the biggest sin of omission here. - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:40 7
        
        Oh, Tenace walked like 18% of the time. That explains the OPS - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:44 6
        
        More stats wonking: McCutchen is #14 all-time in OPS+. Trout is 3! - David Feb 17, 06:47 5
        
        Trout is so unbelievably absurd, I just pray he is on juice, suffers an injury or does soemthing stupid like try to change his approach - Will Hunting Feb 17, 07:02
        
        yeah, Bernie is a guy who needed a few more years to rack up counting stats - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:49 3
        
        I do think Posada and Bernie have the same assets with regards to voting. - David Feb 17, 06:52 2
        
        I think Pettitte had a better chance *if he was good enough* becuase he was as forthright as anyone was. - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:59
        
        To your IM: Hahahaha! Let the motherf'er burn! Burn motherf'er! Burn! -- nm - Krusty Feb 17, 06:54
        
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        He's *5* in WAR7. That's unconscios. -- nm - David Feb 17, 06:42 2
        
        BTW, Posada is 16 in this category. Yogi is tied for 8. -- nm - David Feb 17, 06:43
        
        ^u^ -- nm - David Feb 17, 06:42
        
        Yeah, as long as he doesn't stop hitting for the next 6 years, he's probably in. -- nm - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:38 3
        
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        If he gets to hitting .320 again, peopel will remember he won multiple batting titles at Catcher - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:45 1
        
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  - I don't care for WAR as a stat. Looking at him compared to other guys, using normal stats, he's just very good. -- nm - Krusty Feb 17, 06:27
*nods* Retire the HOF'ers....and the odds that any of those 3 make the Hall...slim - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:20 2
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  - Yup. It's not the hall of very good or really like by the fans. -- nm - Krusty Feb 17, 06:22
Agreed. You really should have to be special to have your number retired. I still love that the NHL retired 99. -- nm - Shaun Feb 17, 06:16
While we're at it we can remove Reggie. -- nm - Krusty Feb 17, 06:16
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- "Batting 4th, number π..." -- nm - Reagen Feb 17, 06:47
- Heh. :-) Letters and numbers. We'll have license plates on the back of the jersey. -- nm - Krusty Feb 17, 06:13
*Gehrig* -- nm - Krusty Feb 17, 06:12

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