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In response to "YDC: After thinking about for a day, I don't think Pettitte, Posada or Bernie deserve to have their number retired. They just weren't great. A plaque" by Krusty

I disagree with you on Posada. -- nm

Posted by David (aka David) Feb 17 '15, 06:21

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Of the three he's the closest to deserving the honor but I can't put him next to Yogi, Dickey or Howard. His numbers compare to Howard but Howard was - Krusty Feb 17, 06:25 6
- He's a position-scarce offensive force and team leader from a four-time world champion. - David Feb 17, 06:29 5
  - And that's why he should get a nice shiny plaque. :-) His number I have the least problem with being retired. The other two are much less deserving - Krusty Feb 17, 06:31 4
    - I'm absolutely with you on the others. I think of the whole thing as a shrine to the Yankees' return to glory. - David Feb 17, 06:36 3
      - I have a feeling that if they didn't include Pettitte I wouldn't be as annoyed. I could live with the other two but wouldn't really be happy about it - Krusty Feb 17, 06:38 2
        
        plus Pettitte is a juicer cheating lying douche bag -- nm - CQ Feb 17, 06:41 1
        
        I mentioned it. :-) I liked him right until that day. -- nm - Krusty Feb 17, 06:42
(He's #178 all-time in oWAR) -- nm - David Feb 17, 06:24 21
- He's 326th in OPS+ - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:30 19
  - And what's his rank among catchers over the last 40 years? -- nm - David Feb 17, 06:31 18
    - here's the JAWS breakdown for Catchers --- - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:35 17
      - I'm enjoying looking at this. My perception is that Posada gets in during his first five years on the ballot. - David Feb 17, 06:39 8
        
        Ted Simmons has absurd counting stats for a guy at that position...I think he's the biggest sin of omission here. - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:40 7
        
        Oh, Tenace walked like 18% of the time. That explains the OPS - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:44 6
        
        More stats wonking: McCutchen is #14 all-time in OPS+. Trout is 3! - David Feb 17, 06:47 5
        
        Trout is so unbelievably absurd, I just pray he is on juice, suffers an injury or does soemthing stupid like try to change his approach - Will Hunting Feb 17, 07:02
        
        yeah, Bernie is a guy who needed a few more years to rack up counting stats - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:49 3
        
        I do think Posada and Bernie have the same assets with regards to voting. - David Feb 17, 06:52 2
        
        I think Pettitte had a better chance *if he was good enough* becuase he was as forthright as anyone was. - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:59
        
        To your IM: Hahahaha! Let the motherf'er burn! Burn motherf'er! Burn! -- nm - Krusty Feb 17, 06:54
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        He's *5* in WAR7. That's unconscios. -- nm - David Feb 17, 06:42 2
        
        BTW, Posada is 16 in this category. Yogi is tied for 8. -- nm - David Feb 17, 06:43
        
        ^u^ -- nm - David Feb 17, 06:42
        
        Yeah, as long as he doesn't stop hitting for the next 6 years, he's probably in. -- nm - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:38 3
        
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        If he gets to hitting .320 again, peopel will remember he won multiple batting titles at Catcher - Will Hunting Feb 17, 06:45 1
        
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- I don't care for WAR as a stat. Looking at him compared to other guys, using normal stats, he's just very good. -- nm - Krusty Feb 17, 06:27

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