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What I want to know is will there ever be a game where the male lead is 5' 7" ish middle aged man with a bit of a gut, but who can still kick ass? - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 21:18 1
- Wasn't that GTA Trevor? -- nm - Reagen Mar 17, 21:25
Wow! Oil currently at 42.55 a barrel and falling still -- nm - Bacon Mar 17, 21:02
What boggles me and I just can't "get" is how would, say, GTA be a "worse" game if the player-character - TWuG Mar 17, 20:58 11
- Men are props in that game too... - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 21:07 10
  - So GTA has men who are the protagonist, men who are eye candy, men who are props, men who are cops to be avoided or killed, men who are the boss, men - TWuG Mar 17, 21:17 1
    - Uh, the only role not covered for women in the GTA series was a playable character... - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 21:21
  - Does anyone *really* care if women are playable characters? - Dignan Mar 17, 21:10 7
    - *I* care -- nm - Luke Skywalker Mar 17, 21:16
    - I feel like maybe you're being sarcastic, but I'm honestly not sure. -- nm - TWuG Mar 17, 21:15 3
      - If I may butt in, I think he was saying that he doesn't believe that there are more than a handful of people who are actually against - ralph wiggum Mar 17, 21:17 2
        
        Thanks for the butt, wiggums. nm - Dignan Mar 17, 21:22
        
        Ah, yes, I can see that "read" of it now. Thank you for the clarity. -- nm - TWuG Mar 17, 21:19
    - I think GTA would make a ton of $, if the next game in the series had a female lead. Women gamers would flock to it, men would still buy because GTA -- nm - Flavorize Mar 17, 21:14 1
      - Yes, of course. - Dignan Mar 17, 21:22
Weird, sometimes cool, usually really creepy playgrounds around the world via Awkward Family Photos blog -- (link) - zeitgeist Mar 17, 20:34
This BYU/Ole Miss game got really good. -- nm - Tim Mar 17, 20:24
ok, after yesterday's music discussions, I have given Alanis' SFIJ a fresh listen, the 1st time in quite some time I must admit . . . . - call me Ishmael Mar 17, 20:16
Zyrtec or Claratin? -- nm - Mop Mar 17, 19:55 5
- Zyrtec does better if you use it daily, not just when you need it. -- nm - Ultron Mar 17, 20:41
- Contac -- nm - professor smartbrain Mar 17, 20:11
- Allega. -- nm - Remlik Mar 17, 20:07
- Zyrtec -- nm - ReluctantCynic Mar 17, 20:01
- Benedryl, you pussy. nm - ralph wiggum Mar 17, 19:56
nice story callback in tonight's Justified -- nm - Max Mar 17, 19:40 4
- spoil me. I loved this episode (spoiler) - Mel Profit Mar 17, 20:10 3
  - One of the show's best ever. -- nm - David Mar 17, 20:52
  - The party scene - Max Mar 17, 20:44 1
    - Spoilers - David Mar 17, 20:52
10-15 from being the arc. Just barely worse percentage than 7-10 from the line - JD Mar 17, 19:33
I tried reading the new, lighter in tone Batgirl series and it is DEFINITELY not being written with me in mind. And the cover - TWuG Mar 17, 19:26 12
- Since the cover is not being released, it shouldn't. -- nm - Ultron Mar 17, 20:42
- Is it Gail Simone? -- nm - David Mar 17, 19:33 10
  - No. I loved her take on the character. The new angle is very much tween-centric. - TWuG Mar 17, 19:42 [Image] 5
    - It's that Spiderman Loves Mary Jane style that Kim loves. -- nm - David Mar 17, 19:50 1
      - Good analogy. It reminds me a bit of the style used in Locke & Key. - TWuG Mar 17, 20:04
    - I like that art a lot. nm - Dignan Mar 17, 19:49 1
      - Honestly, I think the art is fine, but it doesn't work as "Batgirl" art for me. - TWuG Mar 17, 19:56
    - Yeah, a little more comic strip than comic book. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 19:45
  - no she left the book months ago. -- nm - Remlik Mar 17, 19:38 3
    - DC has one real talent and they don't even treat her well. - David Mar 17, 19:39 2
      - yeah but they brought her back. And gave her two new books to do. She left the last time of her own accord. -- nm - Remlik Mar 17, 19:44 1
        
        she also writes Red Sonja now -- nm - Remlik Mar 17, 20:14
Thanks for the recommendations, Pete. RCP is on the way to museum / dinner so at least knew of it. Publicus OTOH - JD Mar 17, 19:24 1
- RCP opened 2 months ago, Publicus this week. I have not been, but the only food critic I trust liked them both. -- nm - Peglegpete Mar 17, 19:51
I suspect some of these young men may have been drinking coffee before the game -- nm - rollo Mar 17, 19:22
The good thing for Aaron Schock is that there generally pretty good weight rooms in prison. -- nm - Reagen Mar 17, 19:13 8
- Im sure the cell will look like Downton Abbey -- nm - budice Mar 17, 19:18 1
  - One of the storage areas in the sub-basement. -- nm - TWuG Mar 17, 19:21
- I think that's outweighed by the lack of decorating opportunities. -- nm - Roger More Mar 17, 19:18
- I am amused that this a downstate politician, from a conservative district. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 19:17 4
  - Well, it's Illinois. Corruption seems to be a job requirement. -- nm - TWuG Mar 17, 19:18 3
    - Outside the Governor, it's usually someone from Chicago, or Cook County. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 19:22 2
      - Unless you count the Mayor of Peoria and the local Twittergate. - ReluctantCynic Mar 17, 20:01 1
        
        I did say usually. ;) - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:04
I think my new litmis test for whether or not to be upset about something is to see whether Adam Baldwin is upset by it. - TWuG Mar 17, 19:12 90
- "Which FrogThor?" -- nm - What I'm reminded of every comic controversy Mar 17, 19:26 81
  - Hee! My mental picture of Frog Thor makes me laugh and laugh. nm - ralph wiggum Mar 17, 19:48 2
    - You've got him all pec'd and mulleted up, don't you. -- nm - Reagen Mar 17, 19:50 1
      - It's sort of a combination between that and this pic (nmblink) - ralph wiggum Mar 17, 19:53 [flickr]
  - The comics industry has a pretty serious problem with misogyny. Too many old, white dudes just not getting it, both on the - TWuG Mar 17, 19:29 77
    - All hail the new thought police! - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 19:37 74
      - Don't be on the Adam Baldwin side of this. It is an ugly place. -- nm - TWuG Mar 17, 19:45 48
        
        I've followed it fairly closely, not just the one-sided bullshit msm coverage, there's ugliness on both sides, yes BOTH sides. - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 19:51 47
        
        Our perspectives on this could not be more diametrically opposed. - Reagen Mar 17, 19:53 46
        
        The extreme anti-GG crowd is just as vile as the extreme pro side. nm - Dignan Mar 17, 20:09 2
        
        (The Gamerghazi subreddit, for example, is fucking *teeming* with self righteous assholes.) nm - Dignan Mar 17, 20:11 1
        
        Well, it is Reddit. -- nm - Tim Mar 17, 20:17
        
        You've read msm pieces with an absolute bias. I've seen the supposed pro-women/minorities tell women and minorities to kill themselves for supporting - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 19:56 42
        
        You've also said that those women being harrassed shouldn't be able to killfile the harrassers. - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:02 3
        
        I've said that in the context of the special snowflakes who actually say, I shit you not, criticism and disagreement is harassment. -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:14 2
        
        of course it can, depending on duration, place and manner. - Reagen Mar 17, 20:27
        
        sfek and that it was being used by the IGDA as a blacklist. -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:15
        
        I've read way more than the MSM stuff, let's just leave it at that. - Reagen Mar 17, 20:00 37
        
        Step 1. Deliberately take footage/gameplay out of context. Step 3. Profit. - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:12 35
        
        Why should a female developer get a free pass for creating a regressive character just because she's female? - Reagen Mar 17, 20:24 23
        
        So you've never heard of McIntosh, Sarkessian's producer? Because those are his exact words (too much gameplay...) -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:33 4
        
        Also, because obviously some women too want to see a kick-ass female warrior who is "sexy" - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:35 3
        
        You've obviously been reading some one-sided bullshit yourself. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:39
        
        No, it's asking why that is the *only* (or close to) representation of women in video games - Reagen Mar 17, 20:37 1
        
        Funny then that Wu's characters in her crappy game all have the same body type that she criticizes... -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:39
        
        The vast majority of GG is perfectly fine with a bigger sandbox, and gender equality. - Dignan Mar 17, 20:28 17
        
        I have yet to see a GamerGate supporter speak out against what's happening to Anita Sarkeesian, Brianna Wu or anyone else that's been threatened or - Tim Mar 17, 20:33 2
        
        Wow. I think it's universally acknowledged that the threats and harrassment are unnacceptable. - Dignan Mar 17, 20:40
        
        Are you kidding me? It was GG who found the Brazilian "journalist" who was threatening Sarkessian. - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:37
        
        I've never seen any suggestion that people against GG are negative towards gamers - Reagen Mar 17, 20:32 12
        
        It was the anti-GG press that wrote that spate of "Gamers are Dead" articles a few months ago. - Dignan Mar 17, 20:46 4
        
        The message of that article was "you don't have to be a certain type of person to consider yourself a Gamer anymore". - Reagen Mar 17, 20:50 3
        
        No, the message was "misogyny killed gaming." - Dignan Mar 17, 21:08 2
        
        There are no leaders on either side, just louder voices. - Dignan Mar 17, 21:16
        
        largely because the leaders of GG (such as they are) are part and parcel and complicit in that attitude, from what I see. - Reagen Mar 17, 21:11
        
        Then you're willfully ignoring it. - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:41 6
        
        It's clearly referring to the people who are attacking based on misogynistic attitudes, and clearly not towards all people who play games. - Reagen Mar 17, 20:44 5
        
        No, it's used in reference to anyone who has a differing opinion of games. Like Code? You're a goony neck beard loser, etc. - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:53 4
        
        I would say that you are 100% misreading that tone. -- nm - Reagen Mar 17, 20:55 3
        
        When it's being said by the same people who use white cis male as a pejorative, I'm pretty confident that I'm not. -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 21:05 2
        
        Here's the difference. The mostly white male gamers with their panties in a bunch over being inclusive to women are punching down. - TWuG Mar 17, 21:14 1
        
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        The problem is that those dicks start to become the voice of gamers if that's all you can hear from the gaing community. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:32
        
        If Bayonetta conforms to the same misogynistic attitudes about women already prevalent in games, that's hardly a good thing even if the creator is a - TWuG Mar 17, 20:22 10
        
        The problem with that is you have devs who are now saying that they're actually afraid to create any female characters because there's ALWAYS - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:30 8
        
        I would say that based on developments it's a) not a minority b) having a positive effect - Reagen Mar 17, 20:35 7
        
        Sorry, but I call bullshit on your "GG freaking out when minority characters are included" -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:44 3
        
        Dragon Age: Inquitions, for a start. - Reagen Mar 17, 20:46 2
        
        Which isn't representative of the whole.... -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:57 1
        
        Or any time you see developers make a move towards more progressive decisions - Reagen Mar 17, 21:00
        
        Exactly. And the "make your own" suggestion is a bit hard to put in to practice since these games take millions to develop. That requires - TWuG Mar 17, 20:41 2
        
        Didn't GG partly start over a small "make your own" game? - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:44 1
        
        Depression Quest? -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:45
        
        About 46-48% of the gsming community is female, and the area that's had the largest growth the last few years. - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:29
        
        Thank you. -- nm - Tim Mar 17, 20:06
      - Huh? the creators of the book themselves said "what the hell is this cover?" -- nm - Reagen Mar 17, 19:40 24
        
        The artist himself asked that it be pulled. - tobor.2 Mar 17, 19:43
        
        Do creators usually get a say in what's put out as a variant cover? -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 19:43 22
        
        Sometimes. Buit the tone of the cover couldn't be further from the tone of the book and was driven by the Marketing team/$$ not "artistic freedom" -- nm - TWuG Mar 17, 19:45 20
        
        I think it was driven more by the fact that it was the 25th anniversary of The Killing Joke that it was paying homage to... -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 19:53 12
        
        Which is fine and good except that The Killing Joke audience and the audience for this book are separate circles. - TWuG Mar 17, 19:59 5
        
        It also sounded like a lot of the other Joker cvers are lighter in tone, but the artist took it darker. - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:08 4
        
        I think Eaglesham was just asked to provide "a" cover and given mostly free rein. - TWuG Mar 17, 20:12 3
        
        Has most of the criticism been about the tone or that it promotes violence against women? nm - Dignan Mar 17, 20:19 1
        
        I think there's been both. The less knee-jerky people are arguing tone is the issue. - TWuG Mar 17, 20:27
        
        It is a great piece of art and totally inappropriate for that book. And he agrees on the second part. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:18
        
        And $$$$. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 19:56 1
        
        Yes, i've already acknowledged that that is one function of variant covers... -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 19:58
        
        And $$$$. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 19:56 3
        
        Bery? Is this on yourend or mine? - tobor.2 Mar 17, 19:59 2
        
        Not sure. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 17, 20:05 1
        
        I updated FF a week or so ago, but it hadn't changed that before today. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:09
        
        To drive fans to buy more than one copy of the same book. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 19:47 6
        
        Yeah, that's what a variant cover is for... -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 19:52
        
        Sure. It's a common practice and I have no issue with publishers doing it. But the covers should work with the tone of the content they surround. -- nm - TWuG Mar 17, 19:48 4
        
        I know, but frequently they don't. And, as you said, $$$$. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 19:51 1
        
        Sorry for the multiposts. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 19:52
        
        I know, but frequently they don't. And, as you said, $$$$. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 19:51
        
        I know, but frequently they don't. And, as you said, $$$$. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 19:51
        
        I would sure as hell hope so. -- nm - Reagen Mar 17, 19:43
    - I absolutely agree; my point is along the lines of "these are the things comics fans readily accept, but have a problem with actual agency - Reagen Mar 17, 19:32 1
      - Oh, no doubt about that. I think a big part of that is that comics, until very recently, were mostly consumed by people - TWuG Mar 17, 19:38
- He's thrown his lot in with the GamerGate cretins so he already confirmed he's an awful human being. -- nm - Tim Mar 17, 19:13 6
  - He seems like a very angry person. nm - ralph wiggum Mar 17, 19:46 3
    - Yeah, he needs to chill. -- nm - Mop Mar 17, 19:57
    - I increasingly get the impression that at least 50% of it is him deciding to be a professional shit disturber. -- nm - Reagen Mar 17, 19:48
    - Maybe he needs more bunk time. -- nm - TWuG Mar 17, 19:47
  - ETHICS IN JOURNALISM!!! - David Mar 17, 19:40
  - *snort* -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 19:33
- "litmus" test, even -- nm - TWuG Mar 17, 19:12
Has anyone other than RC had their DNA analysed for ancestry? - Meg Mar 17, 19:07 1
- Loosi did...turns out, she's jewish -- nm - zeitgeist Mar 17, 19:15
The NIT is stupid anyway. -- nm - Dano Mar 17, 19:06 1
- Book em Dano! -- nm - budice Mar 17, 19:10
Bat guano crazy...lol -- nm - budice Mar 17, 19:06
For those who might be on the fence about PFM's St. Balrick's appeal (above) NBC ran a piece on it tonight. -- (link) - Meg Mar 17, 19:05
I'm not convinced that Big Hero 6 is the best animated movie of the year, but it sure is a lot of fun. -- nm - kelly Mar 17, 19:03 3
- We love it. (spoilers?) - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:23
- It was pretty darn good. - Beryllium Mar 17, 19:32
- Has a heart, nice film. -- nm - budice Mar 17, 19:05

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