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In response to "I've read way more than the MSM stuff, let's just leave it at that." by Reagen

Step 1. Deliberately take footage/gameplay out of context. Step 3. Profit.

Posted by Scots-IrishStephen (aka Sceire) Mar 17 '15, 20:12

Sorry I'm not buying the bullshit that people who say there's too much gameplay in games are peddling.

There's plenty of room for all types of games, and developers of different genders/races, etc., but when you claim you want more women in gaming, and then attack a female dev for creating a female character that you don't like (Bayonetta) you don't get to sit at the adults' table because you're just plain full of shit.

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Why should a female developer get a free pass for creating a regressive character just because she's female? - Reagen Mar 17, 20:24 24
- So you've never heard of McIntosh, Sarkessian's producer? Because those are his exact words (too much gameplay...) -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:33 4
  - Also, because obviously some women too want to see a kick-ass female warrior who is "sexy" - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:35 3
    - You've obviously been reading some one-sided bullshit yourself. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:39
    - No, it's asking why that is the *only* (or close to) representation of women in video games - Reagen Mar 17, 20:37 1
      - Funny then that Wu's characters in her crappy game all have the same body type that she criticizes... -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:39
- The vast majority of GG is perfectly fine with a bigger sandbox, and gender equality. - Dignan Mar 17, 20:28 18
  - I have yet to see a GamerGate supporter speak out against what's happening to Anita Sarkeesian, Brianna Wu or anyone else that's been threatened or - Tim Mar 17, 20:33 2
    - Wow. I think it's universally acknowledged that the threats and harrassment are unnacceptable. - Dignan Mar 17, 20:40
    - Are you kidding me? It was GG who found the Brazilian "journalist" who was threatening Sarkessian. - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:37
  - I've never seen any suggestion that people against GG are negative towards gamers - Reagen Mar 17, 20:32 13
    - It was the anti-GG press that wrote that spate of "Gamers are Dead" articles a few months ago. - Dignan Mar 17, 20:46 4
      - The message of that article was "you don't have to be a certain type of person to consider yourself a Gamer anymore". - Reagen Mar 17, 20:50 3
        
        No, the message was "misogyny killed gaming." - Dignan Mar 17, 21:08 2
        
        There are no leaders on either side, just louder voices. - Dignan Mar 17, 21:16
        
        largely because the leaders of GG (such as they are) are part and parcel and complicit in that attitude, from what I see. - Reagen Mar 17, 21:11
    - Then you're willfully ignoring it. - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:41 7
      - It's clearly referring to the people who are attacking based on misogynistic attitudes, and clearly not towards all people who play games. - Reagen Mar 17, 20:44 6
        
        No, it's used in reference to anyone who has a differing opinion of games. Like Code? You're a goony neck beard loser, etc. - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:53 5
        
        I would say that you are 100% misreading that tone. -- nm - Reagen Mar 17, 20:55 4
        
        When it's being said by the same people who use white cis male as a pejorative, I'm pretty confident that I'm not. -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 21:05 3
        
        Here's the difference. The mostly white male gamers with their panties in a bunch over being inclusive to women are punching down. - TWuG Mar 17, 21:14 2
        
        Except no one is freaking out about including women!!!! - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 21:26 1
        
        Clarification: that's NOT what the vast majority of the pro side is criticizing... - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 21:28
  - The problem is that those dicks start to become the voice of gamers if that's all you can hear from the gaing community. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:32
If Bayonetta conforms to the same misogynistic attitudes about women already prevalent in games, that's hardly a good thing even if the creator is a - TWuG Mar 17, 20:22 10
- The problem with that is you have devs who are now saying that they're actually afraid to create any female characters because there's ALWAYS - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:30 8
  - I would say that based on developments it's a) not a minority b) having a positive effect - Reagen Mar 17, 20:35 7
    - Sorry, but I call bullshit on your "GG freaking out when minority characters are included" -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:44 3
      - Dragon Age: Inquitions, for a start. - Reagen Mar 17, 20:46 2
        
        Which isn't representative of the whole.... -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:57 1
        
        Or any time you see developers make a move towards more progressive decisions - Reagen Mar 17, 21:00
    - Exactly. And the "make your own" suggestion is a bit hard to put in to practice since these games take millions to develop. That requires - TWuG Mar 17, 20:41 2
      - Didn't GG partly start over a small "make your own" game? - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:44 1
        
        Depression Quest? -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:45
- About 46-48% of the gsming community is female, and the area that's had the largest growth the last few years. - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:29

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