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Why should a female developer get a free pass for creating a regressive character just because she's female?

Posted by Reagen Mar 17 '15, 20:24

If anything, this is precisely the kind of thing you should be in support of - people having their actions critiqued equally regardless of gender. And the idea that people are trying to take gameplay out of games is ridiculous - the message is "Just about every game is (this) way - and there's a market for (other) way - why not address this?" There's room in gaming for both without taking anything away from anyone. Instead what the GG people see is people trying to take away their sandbox, when it's just trying to build a bigger one.

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So you've never heard of McIntosh, Sarkessian's producer? Because those are his exact words (too much gameplay...) -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:33 4
- Also, because obviously some women too want to see a kick-ass female warrior who is "sexy" - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:35 3
  - You've obviously been reading some one-sided bullshit yourself. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:39
  - No, it's asking why that is the *only* (or close to) representation of women in video games - Reagen Mar 17, 20:37 1
    - Funny then that Wu's characters in her crappy game all have the same body type that she criticizes... -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:39
The vast majority of GG is perfectly fine with a bigger sandbox, and gender equality. - Dignan Mar 17, 20:28 18
- I have yet to see a GamerGate supporter speak out against what's happening to Anita Sarkeesian, Brianna Wu or anyone else that's been threatened or - Tim Mar 17, 20:33 2
  - Wow. I think it's universally acknowledged that the threats and harrassment are unnacceptable. - Dignan Mar 17, 20:40
  - Are you kidding me? It was GG who found the Brazilian "journalist" who was threatening Sarkessian. - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:37
- I've never seen any suggestion that people against GG are negative towards gamers - Reagen Mar 17, 20:32 13
  - It was the anti-GG press that wrote that spate of "Gamers are Dead" articles a few months ago. - Dignan Mar 17, 20:46 4
    - The message of that article was "you don't have to be a certain type of person to consider yourself a Gamer anymore". - Reagen Mar 17, 20:50 3
      - No, the message was "misogyny killed gaming." - Dignan Mar 17, 21:08 2
        
        There are no leaders on either side, just louder voices. - Dignan Mar 17, 21:16
        
        largely because the leaders of GG (such as they are) are part and parcel and complicit in that attitude, from what I see. - Reagen Mar 17, 21:11
  - Then you're willfully ignoring it. - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:41 7
    - It's clearly referring to the people who are attacking based on misogynistic attitudes, and clearly not towards all people who play games. - Reagen Mar 17, 20:44 6
      - No, it's used in reference to anyone who has a differing opinion of games. Like Code? You're a goony neck beard loser, etc. - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 20:53 5
        
        I would say that you are 100% misreading that tone. -- nm - Reagen Mar 17, 20:55 4
        
        When it's being said by the same people who use white cis male as a pejorative, I'm pretty confident that I'm not. -- nm - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 21:05 3
        
        Here's the difference. The mostly white male gamers with their panties in a bunch over being inclusive to women are punching down. - TWuG Mar 17, 21:14 2
        
        Except no one is freaking out about including women!!!! - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 21:26 1
        
        Clarification: that's NOT what the vast majority of the pro side is criticizing... - Scots-IrishStephen Mar 17, 21:28
- The problem is that those dicks start to become the voice of gamers if that's all you can hear from the gaing community. -- nm - tobor.2 Mar 17, 20:32

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