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In response to "There's two issues: Merchandising and the actual role in the film. I believe I heard the term "slut-shamed" last week about the role. -- nm" by Beryllium

That would require a metric ton of projection. -- nm

Posted by David (aka David) May 4 '15, 14:53

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Yeah. That would never have occurred to me, and I'm still sitting here trying to figure out how they get there. -- nm - pmb May 4, 15:07 21
- There is a *ton* of "scrutiny" right now regarding feminism in media. - Dignan May 4, 15:11 19
  - And sometimes it's warranted. In this case, mostly only for the merchandising side of things. Quite frankly, the lack of BW merch is *weird*. -- nm - Beryllium May 4, 15:12 18
    - That part I completely agree with (though Joss likely has very little say in that). As to the other part, I guess people will see what they want to - pmb May 4, 15:17 1
      - If you want to distill it to a simple lesson: Choose Your Battles. nm - Dignan May 4, 15:18
    - disney says they didn't think there would be a market for it, iirc? I wonder if it's them projecting the other-places negative connotation of that - b. May 4, 15:15 11
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      - the toys are in the boys section of the toy aisles, and as I boy who played with Star Wars toys when I was young.... - groiny May 4, 15:18 9
        
        I think I'd feel better about this one if they had included her in more group things (t-shirts, etc.) and if they had fuller representation of - b. May 4, 15:22 1
        
        Gamora, Pepper, Jane, Black Widow, Lady Sif, Peggy Carter, Skye, May, Morse. - Beryllium May 4, 15:27
        
        You have to think that they'd do it if there was significant amounts of money to be made. nm - Dignan May 4, 15:20 5
        
        I agree with this, but I think they're missing the larger picture here. They are seeing little girls as only interested in the princesses. I think - pmb May 4, 15:23 1
        
        thank you. this is a better way of saying what I was getting at. -- nm - b. May 4, 15:26
        
        Yeah, and given Disney is as wise as they are about their princesses and Faeries lines...I give them a bit more leeway. -- nm - Will Hunting May 4, 15:21 2
        
        that's part of the criticism I just read about, though - like "girls have their princesses and fairies, that's enough for them." - b. May 4, 15:24 1
        
        I go the opposite: Disney in recent years has dominated with women and girls. - Will Hunting May 4, 15:48
        
        but then they would be so collectible -- nm - z on the go May 4, 15:19
    - It's genuinely mystifying. nm - Dignan May 4, 15:13
    - (The other half? Not very warranted at all, at least in my opinion.) -- nm - Beryllium May 4, 15:12 2
      - You say half, I say 90/10. nm - Dignan May 4, 15:13 1
        
        I meant half in a more binary sense, I agree with your ratio. -- nm - Beryllium May 4, 15:21
- I went into the movie mulling it, and my thinking is (spoils) - Beryllium May 4, 15:10
Yup. -- nm - Beryllium May 4, 15:02

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