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Dan Marino and Troy Aikman basically said that there's a snowball's chance in hell that Brady was not involved.

Posted by Shaun (aka bigshaunu) May 13 '15, 11:09

I guess 2 first ballot HoF QBs are also full of shit.

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You can think he broke a rule, think that rule is stupid, and think that the NFL is inept and overly penalizing for that rule break. - Will Hunting May 13, 12:02 15
- "It's a rule that at best, is begging to be broken given the NFL has no oversight apparently." - b. May 13, 12:23
- You are more pissed at the incompetence of Goodell and the NFL at handling infractions over the last few years. - Shaun May 13, 12:07 7
  - I'm not saying it's not a big deal. It's a pitcher putting an emery board on a ball. Suspend him a game. - Will Hunting May 13, 12:26 2
    - I think it's more along the lines of a team getting busted for using corked bats, since the bats, like the ball, are in play 100% of the time... - Shaun May 13, 12:30 1
      - Okay, a corked bat then....that puts you at 12-15 games iirc. Which is in the 1-2 game range - Will Hunting May 13, 12:32
  - The fact that he used "sting exercise" tells me all I need to know about his opinion. - Spawn May 13, 12:10 3
    - Well, I'd like to think that if the NFL is told about something the night prior, they would try to actually make sure it doesn't happen during the gam - Will Hunting May 13, 12:13 2
      - Uhm, this is all over the place. -- (link) - Spawn May 13, 12:19 1
        
        And these are the guys sitting in judgment! -- nm - Will Hunting May 13, 12:27
- He may have done 65 in a 55 but then he went to trial and told the judge to get lost. -- nm - zork May 13, 12:05 5
  - No, he went to trial and said, I'm not obligated to make your case for you. - Will Hunting May 13, 12:14 4
    - In other words, he is admitting he is guilty. Thanks for playing. -- nm - Spawn May 13, 12:20 1
      - No, he's admitting he doesn't have to do the NFL's work for them. -- nm - Will Hunting May 13, 12:28
    - OK, what about "Here's a search warrant" "Sorry Sheriff, but I don't want you to search my property" -- nm - zork May 13, 12:17 1
      - Let Roger get a search warrant, it's not currently in the CBA. - Will Hunting May 13, 12:30
It never, ever would have occurred to me that all the balls were not provided by the refs/league, each team uses different balls, and same for kickers -- nm - zork May 13, 11:57 1
- Would anyone let baseball teams pitch with their own balls, and for them to use still different ones in bunt situations? Or for the DH to bat against - zork May 13, 12:03
How could he not? His job is to handle those balls every day. There's no way he doesn't know what perfect balls feel like. Imperfect ones would stand - TWuG May 13, 11:36
I really do not know what good an under inflated ball is going to do? - groiny May 13, 11:10 34
- Here we go. - Spawn May 13, 11:13 8
  - Here is the whole article. -- (link) - Spawn May 13, 11:14 4
    - have to look at this later. nm -- nm - groiny May 13, 11:14 3
      - Have a look at this. -- (link) - Shaun May 13, 11:15 [Image] 1
        
        again, I can't see that here, so I will look later -- nm - groiny May 13, 11:16
      - Seriously, it is insane. Here is more. - Spawn May 13, 11:15
  - so Brady is a running back now? -- nm - groiny May 13, 11:13 2
    - Uhm, QBs fumble. WRs fumble. -- nm - Spawn May 13, 11:14 1
      - not nearly as much as the other guys though. - groiny May 13, 11:15
- It would benefit every single offensive player who would handle the ball in the run of a game. - Shaun May 13, 11:12 1
  - This. But I guess the RB's and wide receivers that have handled footballs tens of thousands of times didn't have a clue. -- nm - Zunk xometimes May 13, 11:43
- Groiny knows hard balls -- nm - professor smartbrain May 13, 11:12
- Easier to grip and catch. -- nm - Spawn May 13, 11:11 21
  - at a sacrifice to distance. And what about the kicked balls by the kicker? -- nm - groiny May 13, 11:11 20
    - Kickers use different balls. -- nm - Spawn May 13, 11:12 19
      - no other sport has a different set of balls for home and away, kicker and offense. - groiny May 13, 11:18 17
        
        The silly part is if they each get their own balls, why can't they make them exactly how they want them? It only matters if they have to use the same - pmb May 13, 11:30 13
        
        I have a great idea, lets just ignore the rules that we do not like! - Spawn May 13, 11:33 12
        
        I have a better idea. Let's get rid of rules that make no sense. Also, let's not pretend that all rules require the same level of enforcement. - pmb May 13, 11:36 11
        
        Agreed. - Spawn May 13, 11:41 6
        
        I get why you're so angry. I would be too if it was my team that lost in that circumstance. But you're getting outraged over things that should have - pmb May 13, 11:50 5
        
        Uhm, the ruling pretty much states it was ongoing for many years. - Spawn May 13, 11:57 4
        
        I thought I read that they did ultimately get the phone, but apparently not. Doesn't really change my view a lot, but it's something. I think there - pmb May 13, 12:06 2
        
        Here (Troy Vincent letter to Brady) - Spawn May 13, 12:15
        
        They gave a lot of options for phone. They did not want him to give it, they wanted him to scroll through and click the relevant so they could be - Spawn May 13, 12:08
        
        Isn't most of the penalty for not cooperating with the investigation rather than the actual "crime"? -- nm - zork May 13, 11:59
        
        If it didn't make sense, why did Brady cheat and alter the balls so that they were out of the league specifications? -- nm - Shaun May 13, 11:40 3
        
        The rule itself makes no sense. Brady likes the balls with a lower inflation level than the league arbitrarily set. But the rule itself serves no - pmb May 13, 11:44 2
        
        WE ARE ARGUING THE SAME SIDE, THEN! -- nm - Spawn May 13, 11:50 1
        
        I disagree with the penalty. I agree he and the team have to be punished, but I think it's way out of proportion to the crime. I also think they - pmb May 13, 11:52
        
        K balls. The league did this because prior to the new balls, kickers were allowed to fuck with and manipulate the balls however they wanted. - Shaun May 13, 11:21 1
        
        so yeah, different balls for kickers and regular players. nm -- nm - groiny May 13, 11:23
        
        *shrugs* -- nm - Spawn May 13, 11:21
      - well that is just dumb. nm -- nm - groiny May 13, 11:13
The guy denying he even knows the guys but then calling them/texting them how many times? -- nm - Spawn May 13, 11:10 1
- Yeah, I wouldn't expect him to have any of their phone numbers in the first place. -- nm - zork May 13, 12:15
well, with evidence like that... -- nm - Beaker May 13, 11:09

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