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In response to "NWBR, how do you feel about people who call in because their kids are sick? Do you get angry b/c having kids is a lifestyle choice?" by kelly

I'm more permissive on that to a point. We consider that "sick time" in our company and because I know the value of families to society, I take...

Posted by Name Withheld By Request (aka BlueKopo) Mar 27 '09, 08:05

...A softer approach on that.

Now, if it begins to be a chronic issue (once a month or greater), then it once again goes to reliablity of the employee and as a manager, I have to take a harder line.

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I don't care if people beg off because their kids are sick. I really dislike when companies allow them to use sick time for this. - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:09 67
- What do you expect parents to do? Love the kids at home alone? - amoxy Mar 27, 08:15 14
  - vacation time. see? -- nm - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:17 13
    - So if you get 10 sick days a year and a parent gets 10 sick days a year - amoxy Mar 27, 08:22 4
      - The point as I understand it being: there are more acceptable uses of that time for a married person with kids than a single person. - TFox Mar 27, 08:32 3
        
        This is sorta where I fall. I really believe that society here needs to promote family growth, so I can accept this usage to a point. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Mar 27, 08:36
        
        say a single person actually gets sick and uses them all. is that unfair to healthy people? -- nm - loosilu Mar 27, 08:34 1
        
        technically? yeah. but that speaks more to why having a "sick days" benefit is inherently dicier than a PTO system. - TFox Mar 27, 08:38
    - so people with kids might eat all their vacation time. therefore they're not allowed to have vactaions? -- nm - loosilu Mar 27, 08:22 2
      - Isn't Vaction time objective and sick time subjective? -- nm - lileve Mar 27, 08:24 1
        
        Vacation. -- nm - lileve Mar 27, 08:24
    - it's not a vaccation to take care of a sick kid (well depending ofcourse) - Danedukenuuk Mar 27, 08:20 4
      - Well, technically, they don't have the right to more than one "family leave" type day per year according to Manitoba labour law, so no, they are not.. - Name Withheld By Request Mar 27, 08:23 3
        
        So per Manitoba law, a parent gets one "Sick Kid" day - amoxy Mar 27, 08:24 2
        
        Essentially. The law reads seven days per year for sick days thought, so we'll pretty run that one out. But here's the thing... - Name Withheld By Request Mar 27, 08:32 1
        
        Those that abuse the "leave" days makes it really difficult for those who don't to turn a blind eye. - Danedukenuuk Mar 27, 08:38
- only a person without kids can say this! -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 27, 08:13 4
  - it's a lifestyle choice. I prefer "interviews" to children. -- nm - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:14 3
    - it's a fortune if it is a choice a good one indeed that other bring up tax payers so you can get the help you need when you get older -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 27, 08:16 2
      - I live in the US. there'll be no such thing as entitlements in twenty years' time. -- nm - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:16 1
        
        so eeryone in the public sector works for free in the US? -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 27, 08:17
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  - we're not allowed to get sick at school, so we have to use "interview days" for hangovers. -- nm - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:13 26
    - it's not a human right to get drunk and have a hangover thoose day you take on you'r own - Danedukenuuk Mar 27, 08:28 4
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        what if what if...fight for your right to party - Danedukenuuk Mar 27, 08:33 2
        
        dude, jack and I just said we don't do this. it's the principle of the thing. we have to lie to get the same number of days away from work is all. -- nm - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:36
        
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      - attendance, but more the TA stuff. for cancelling my OH on tuesday, I actually get my (already laughable) pay docked. -- nm - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:19 19
        
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        when I had mono, I worked. I didn't have the choice of not working. -- nm - loosilu Mar 27, 08:23 6
        
        You should have made out with the head of HR -- nm - Roger More Mar 27, 08:25 5
        
        HR? I was a TA. maybe the head slave driver. -- nm - loosilu Mar 27, 08:26 4
        
        Failed joke, obvie - if the person responsible for the policy gets sick, change of policy -- nm - Roger More Mar 27, 08:28 3
        
        oh, she had malaria. -- nm - loosilu Mar 27, 08:29 2
        
        if you worked in a generalised, hypotehetical Dilbert-style workplace it would have been funny! -- nm - Roger More Mar 27, 08:31 1
        
        *laughing* -- nm - loosilu Mar 27, 08:32
        
        you have no idea. (if I had a kid and my kid was sick? I would not be docked.) - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:22 10
        
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        15 days...ask her whats wrong perhaps the firm can help -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 27, 08:29
        
        15 sick days in less than three months? Has she been written up? Got a Doctors Note? Been fired? -- nm - amoxy Mar 27, 08:27 6
        
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        if she's unpaid, what's the problem? I had bronchitis for four months a couple years ago. - loosilu Mar 27, 08:30
        
        Wow. Is she sleeping with one of the partners? - amoxy Mar 27, 08:30 2
        
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        That is a bummer, Sorry man -- nm - amoxy Mar 27, 08:32
        
        if it exceeds her allotted time off, she should be taking LWOP. -- nm - loosilu Mar 27, 08:28
        
        and she hasn't bought you a single starbucks gift card. that bitch. what about *our* needs? -- nm - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:27
- It's not like they would get any more sick time than you do. I guess I don't understand. -- nm - Don Homer Mar 27, 08:11
- they'd just eat their sick time faster than you, not get more days off. -- nm - loosilu Mar 27, 08:10 17
  - how is taking a sick day at home *not* a day off? -- nm - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:11 16
    - I don't understsand the problem. Everyone gets a fixed number of sick days, right? how are they getting more? -- nm - loosilu Mar 27, 08:11 15
      - *nods* -- nm - Don Homer Mar 27, 08:13
      - but they're not sick. their child is sick. that should be vacation. -- nm - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:13 13
        
        you're crazy ! -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 27, 08:15
        
        what does it matter which one they take it as?? You have the same amount available as they do. -- nm - Don Homer Mar 27, 08:14 5
        
        sure, but if my ... cat is sick, I can't beg off work. they have more "acceptable reasons to beg off," sort of. whatever, obviously you think I'm bit - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:16 4
        
        You can always make up the vague "hurt my back moving some stuff" ;-). (I agree that I like the general single category of leave vs distinct sick/ - Don Homer Mar 27, 08:17 3
        
        i really love that WOMEN complain about other woman's (perhaps single) right to stay home and take care of kids! -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 27, 08:21 2
        
        if you think women always support each other in the workplace, you think wrong. -- nm - loosilu Mar 27, 08:27 1
        
        well seems a bit counterproductive to complain about having a right that has made it possible for many women to stay on the workforce after having a c - Danedukenuuk Mar 27, 08:31
        
        sounds to me like it's not really your business. -- nm - loosilu Mar 27, 08:14 5
        
        Sure it is. Mandy is talking about fairness towards people without kids. It's a valid point. -- nm - con_carne Mar 27, 08:18 1
        
        well sickness is never fair! -- nm - Danedukenuuk Mar 27, 08:22
        
        as a childless person, it's not yours either. we should both exit the discussion. -- nm - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:17 2
        
        exit if you want. I got nothing to be embarrassed about. I think adults can decided what to do with the time off they're allowed. -- nm - loosilu Mar 27, 08:19 1
        
        are you intimating here that I'm embarrassed? I'm not. thanks in advance for refraining from making assumptions about me. -- nm - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:26
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Are there legislative implications as well? For the employer I mean. - Roger More Mar 27, 08:07 1
- up to a certain point if the kid require you to stay home more than 6 workmonths a year there is no protection anymore, and a "parenting sabbathical" - Danedukenuuk Mar 27, 08:09
ofcourse it's "sick time" it also part of the general agreement you have the right to 3 days sicknes of a child in a row - Danedukenuuk Mar 27, 08:07
Once a month? I have plenty of PTO to take a day a month or more. - TFox Mar 27, 08:06 1
- which is why I favor PTO to sick vs. vacation pay. if your "kid is sick" time comes out of my "out in the convertible" time? awesome. -- nm - five tuesdays left love mandy lane Mar 27, 08:12

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