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In response to "Pretty much everyone I've seen discuss the Cincy thing has said, "I had to watch it four or five times to understand what happened ..." -- nm" by zork

Also the guy had an open container, seemed confused whether he had a licence, asked why he was pulled over after being told already,

Posted by zork Jul 29 '15, 13:14

closed the door and started the engine.

I hate the somebody is dead but I can see that the cop felt this guy might be intoxicated and should be stopped from leaving the scene.

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i believe he had an *unopened* bottle of booze. -- nm - Andie Jul 29, 13:50 42
- I just watched the video. it was full. and holy freaking crap, there's no need to watch it multiple times. the officer acted that fast is just.. - b. Jul 29, 13:55 18
  - I had to watch it a second time to realize what had happened. Then it struck me, and I was a little bit sick. -- nm - Mop Jul 29, 14:21
  - I agree with everything you said. I just am trying to figure out what the best alternative course should have been. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 13:58 16
    - Pursue. Don't pursue. Show up at his house later with an arrest warrant. This wasn't a violent crime. This was a traffic stop. -- nm - Mop Jul 29, 14:25
    - follow him. have other cops corner him. they do this all the time. - Andie Jul 29, 14:02 13
      - I'm just thinking of the time I misinterpreted a cop's direction at a checkstop, and wondering if that'd have gotten me killed in the US somewhere. -- nm - Reagen Jul 29, 14:10 11
        
        yah, I think I've shared about an incident in salem, mass. years ago that was kind of similar to andie's. scared the heck out of me. if it had been - b. Jul 29, 14:26
        
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        I was pretty nervous on my last two trips to the states. - Beryllium Jul 29, 14:26
        
        When I was a kid I remember my dad getting pulled over for a ticket and he got out and went ballistic on the cop yelling at him. I'm sure he would - pmb Jul 29, 14:15 1
        
        My dad cut off a cop in traffic and got pulled over as a result. And, as usual, he got belligerent about it. - tobor.2 Jul 29, 14:18
        
        i once drove right by a cop at a RIDE stop - they were positioned in a place with all sorts of back lights and it was raining, and there were just - Andie Jul 29, 14:13 2
        
        I bet you got coupons then. I've never been given anything during a RIDE stop -- nm - zork Jul 29, 14:14 1
        
        i did not. i was just waved on. -- nm - Andie Jul 29, 14:15
        
        When I got pulled over on the highway in Texas, I was called to the back of the car. My friend got out of the car ... - zork Jul 29, 14:13
        
        Are you black? Not likely for you. Unless they're tallists. -- nm* - jnine Jul 29, 14:10 1
        
        This. If you're not black, you get a pass. -- nm - Mop Jul 29, 14:26
      - Of course I agree with the IM -- nm - zork Jul 29, 14:07
    - Following the proper procedures would be the best alternative course. Maybe we should try googling for procedure books? -- nm - Beryllium Jul 29, 14:02
- Hmm, I thought I saw that it was half full but I didn't watch mutliple times. I take it that the law there says that it should not be in reach though. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 13:52 22
  - No, it just can't be open. If the seal was intact then that alone isn't enough for ovi. - Ender Jul 29, 14:03 1
    - I think it's harsher here and need not be open. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 14:05
  - then ticket him. that's a ticket. -- nm - Andie Jul 29, 13:53 19
    - There were multiple issues (no front plate, no licence on him, bottle in reach, confusion). I think he was about to do a roadside sobriety test when t - zork Jul 29, 13:56 18
      - I believe I heard him say that since he can't produce a license he's going to have a look around and goes to open his door. - Krusty Jul 29, 14:01 17
        
        Not really, he asked him to take off the seat belt and then he pulled the door. - tobor.2 Jul 29, 14:06 14
        
        Thanks, I had seen a transcript of the encounter. I could hear the cop better than the guy. - Krusty Jul 29, 14:18
        
        And one thing he should have done is politely explain what he was going to do before he did it. -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 14:07 9
        
        For sure and both parties did things incorrectly - zork Jul 29, 14:10 8
        
        Proper procedure is proper procedure. The cop didn't follow it. -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 14:13 7
        
        I'm not a cop but I'm not sure that he did anything wrong before firing the shot. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 14:15 6
        
        I don't think anyone has said he did anything inappropriate until that point, except not communicating well. -- (edited) - b. Jul 29, 14:20
        
        Pulling the door without announcing his intentions was one. -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 14:19 2
        
        Not sure that is correct in this situation. Sometimes cops need to put politeness aside and take charge. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 14:22 1
        
        It isn't necessarily politeness, but announcing intentions before doing something is proper procedure. -- (edited) - tobor.2 Jul 29, 14:26
        
        Well, he pulled his gun ... -- nm - Beryllium Jul 29, 14:16 1
        
        In the US, that seems to be one combined action. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 14:17
        
        Sounds like the officer was ... tense. -- nm - Beryllium Jul 29, 14:07 2
        
        Go stand in the corner -- nm - zork Jul 29, 14:08 1
        
        Oh no I've said too much ... -- nm - Beryllium Jul 29, 14:10
        
        I'm so glad that I'm not a cop. When I make mistakes, I don't have to worry about someone losing their life. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 14:03 1
        
        Or a doctor/paramedic. -- nm - Beryllium Jul 29, 14:06
Shooting him in the head is an extreme way to achieve that. -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 13:39
omg, shoot him! -- nm - mud Jul 29, 13:31 35
- I know that's not the real solution but I'm having trouble figuring out exactly what should have been done. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 13:36 34
  - Call back up for a start. Don't pull a gun. -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 13:40 19
    - I hate guns and that cops pull them so quickly so often. There was backup. You can see at the end of the tape as they approach the car. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 13:42 18
      - Then the cop had options he choose not to use. -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 13:43 17
        
        What options exactly? -- nm - zork Jul 29, 13:44 16
        
        His option was to not stupidly stick his arm in the car and instead chase the guy as he drove off. -- nm - Ender Jul 29, 13:48 8
        
        I think they try and avoid chases at all costs. He can hurt others if he's allowed to drive away -- nm - CQ Jul 29, 13:52 1
        
        And chases by the cops ramp it up more. -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 13:52
        
        That's the thing. Everything is what he shouldn't have done (including shooting the guy). I'd like to know what actually should have been done. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 13:50 5
        
        What do you think I've been saying? -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 13:51 4
        
        Maybe I'm not reading your posts properly but the only message I'm getting is to not shoot the guy, which I agree is desirable. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 13:54 3
        
        I think we can all agree that shooting a person in the head is not the most desirable outcome, heh -- nm - CQ Jul 29, 13:55 1
        
        absolutely -- nm - zork Jul 29, 14:01
        
        Calling backup, blocking the car, -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 13:55
        
        Physically blocking the car with the cruiser for one. -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 13:45 6
        
        It was behind the suspect car and the guy would be gone before getting it going. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 13:46 5
        
        That's why you call backup. So there's more than one car, and that one of them can cut the car off. -- nm* - tobor.2 Jul 29, 13:47 4
        
        The other cop was out of the car covering the first cop. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 13:49 3
        
        They should both have radios on their shoulders so they can call for back up. -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 13:50 2
        
        cops are stretched thin as it is, teh macho expectation is, you stopped them, you handle the situation - zeitgeist Jul 29, 14:03 1
        
        Well...he is now "that" guy who shot a possible drunk because he looked at him crosseyed. -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 14:09
  - Uh. How about "proceed with the traffic stop per the usual protocols"? -- nm - Beryllium Jul 29, 13:37 13
    - It looked to me that he wanted the guy out of the car to arrest him for possible DUI and the guy was not having any of that - zork Jul 29, 13:40 12
      - I'm sure it happens enough that there are protocols to cover that. And that they don't include shooting the driver in the head. -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 13:42 11
        
        Obviously something was done wrong, but letting an intoxicated driver to race off is not the right solution either. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 13:43 10
        
        Actually that is one option. Depends on the area, traffic, time of day, etc. - tobor.2 Jul 29, 13:46 9
        
        During the day on a campus means plenty of pedestrians. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 13:48 8
        
        You seem to be arguing that shooting the driver in the head was a proper response. -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 13:49 2
        
        and you're not reading me properly either. -- nm - zork Jul 29, 13:55 1
        
        "Seems" it seems that way. - tobor.2 Jul 29, 13:56
        
        It wasn't actually on campus. -- nm - Ender Jul 29, 13:49 4
        
        Was it on school property? -- nm - tobor.2 Jul 29, 13:52 3
        
        He was spotted on campus, and by the time the officer had called it in and everything he was already off campus. -- nm - Ender Jul 29, 14:09 1
        
        Then they should have called the city police to take care of him when he crossed the border. That's generally proper procedure. -- nm* - tobor.2 Jul 29, 14:10
        
        No, but close enough to be within the officer's jurisdiction. -- nm - mara Jul 29, 14:03
*reads the IM* *says "fuck the world" and logs off* -- nm - ty97 Jul 29, 13:22

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