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In response to "We'll disagree on the last part of your IM." by Will Hunting

The death penalty is pointless. -- nm

Posted by ty97 Aug 26 '15, 09:14

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- I think there is plenty of reasons to be suspicious of the death penalty. - Will Hunting Aug 26, 09:19 31
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    - That's what basically happens now. The person in Colorado had to conceal their anti-death penalty stance until the final vote. -- nm - spamlet, Reigning Blood Feud Champion Aug 26, 09:23 15
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        I think the actual punishment should be taken out of the hands of the jury - Will Hunting Aug 26, 09:26 12
        
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        electing judges boggles my mind -- nm - zork Aug 26, 09:32
        
        I'm not saying these are likely, but I would consider these valid in a 'just' world. -- nm - Will Hunting Aug 26, 09:32 2
        
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        In time, the death penalty is more likely to be abolished than ever fixed -- nm - zork Aug 26, 09:38
        
        The SCOTUS disagrees. They specifically ruled that death penalties have to be handled by juries. -- nm - spamlet, Reigning Blood Feud Champion Aug 26, 09:30 4
        
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        He didn't say to exclude them from making the verdict, just the punishment -- nm - zork Aug 26, 09:31 2
        
        Several states did this. SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional. -- nm - spamlet, Reigning Blood Feud Champion Aug 26, 09:32 1
        
        ah, I see, thanks. -- nm - zork Aug 26, 09:33
        
        *ding* - Spawn Aug 26, 09:29
        
        this -- nm - zork Aug 26, 09:29
      - And they should face charges for such. -- nm - Spawn Aug 26, 09:24
  - Exactly. It is not the death penalty, it is the juror that is at fault. -- nm - Spawn Aug 26, 09:21 2
    - But the life/death decision is made by jurors. You can't separate the two. -- nm - ty97 Aug 26, 09:22 1
      - Hence my post about the system. -- nm - Spawn Aug 26, 09:22
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    - Because of one juror. -- nm - Spawn Aug 26, 09:21 9
      - but that is the point. that is who makes decisions. human error/perspective/objectiveness cannot be removed from the equation. -- nm - Andie Aug 26, 09:23 7
        
        One that concealed their beliefs to get there. -- nm - Spawn Aug 26, 09:24 6
        
        i know. but you can't change how humans work. which is why the death penalty cannot be consistently applied. -- nm - Andie Aug 26, 09:27 5
        
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        Thank you for winning my arguement for me. -- nm - Spawn Aug 26, 09:30 2
        
        but, the fact that it does, and can happen, is the point. you can't take it out. -- nm - Andie Aug 26, 09:35 1
        
        I call that a mistrial, then. The fact that one juror can screw up the process does not mean the death penalty is flawed. -- nm* - Spawn Aug 26, 09:36
        
        It would be somewhat more consistent if capital trials were judge only so that jury biases were excluded. -- nm - zork Aug 26, 09:28
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- Suspicious of the judicial system, maybe. -- nm - Spawn Aug 26, 09:17 6
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    - I've said my idea...a special court system where all parties would be certified for capital trials. - Will Hunting Aug 26, 09:24 1
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    - "A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state" -- nm - zork Aug 26, 09:21 2
      - *blink* -- nm - znufrii Aug 26, 09:23 1
        
        I'm sure there are plenty of yahoos who would love to have those duties - zork Aug 26, 09:25
wrong, the point is to kill people. nm -- nm - groiny Aug 26, 09:14 19
- At least you're honest about it. -- nm - znufrii Aug 26, 09:18 11
  - So then, what's the point of killing people? -- nm - znufrii Aug 26, 09:21 10
    - because they add no value to society. They are killers, rapists, etc.... in the extreme cases - groiny Aug 26, 09:25 9
      - There will always be debate of where the line falls in determining which are extreme cases. There are some people who do something horrible but then m - zork Aug 26, 09:37
      - Are you saying you support to save money? Because we know it's not the case, the death sentence is more expensive -- nm - Guigue Aug 26, 09:31 1
        
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      - Yeah, sorry asshat you had your shot at being a member of our society and you blew it big time. Piss off and die. -- nm - Shaun Aug 26, 09:30 2
        
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        Past results are no guarantee of future performance -- nm - znufrii Aug 26, 09:33
      - and that first sentence is simply a bridge too far for me. - znufrii Aug 26, 09:30 2
        
        These people lose their right to be a member of society. Death or life in prison, either way, they are out. -- nm - Spawn Aug 26, 09:38 1
        
        I don't disagree that they should be taken out of society, spending life in prison is fine by me in that case. -- nm - znufrii Aug 26, 09:41
- I believe he means pointless as a deterrent -- nm - zork Aug 26, 09:15 5
  - So is life in prison. -- nm - Spawn Aug 26, 09:16 2
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      - There is zero chance of honestly rehabilitating a monster. - Spawn Aug 26, 09:22
  - I never once thought the death penalty was a deterrent. nm -- nm - groiny Aug 26, 09:16 1
    - me either. -- nm - Pippy Aug 26, 09:19
- The point is to end people. -- nm - Spawn Aug 26, 09:15

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